Talk:Weeping Angel/GA1
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Nominator: Pokelego999 (talk · contribs) 03:45, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
Reviewer: DoctorWhoFan91 (talk · contribs) 13:58, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
I'll take this one! Initial remarks might take a few days. DoctorWhoFan91 (talk) 13:58, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
Lead
[edit]all fine
Development and creation
[edit]- "a weeping angel statue": reword, kinda makes it sound like he saw the actual creatures somehow
- Done. Magneton Considerer: Pokelego999 (Talk) (Contribs) 02:06, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
- "attempted further research in the years": attempted further research into that statue in the years
- Done. Magneton Considerer: Pokelego999 (Talk) (Contribs) 02:06, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
- "Statues that": not sure, but shouldn't the s be small?
- The Angels have been portrayed by various actresses, including Louise-Marie Bowen,[26] Aga Blonska, Elen Thomas,[28] Barbara Fadden,[29] and Sarah Madison.[5]: Not sure we need the names, just "various actresses should be fine, with some of the following refs
- Done. Magneton Considerer: Pokelego999 (Talk) (Contribs) 02:06, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
Third paragraph should mention that Class got cancelled- It does already. "planned for the second series of Class to focus more on the Angels prior to the series' cancellation." Let me know if I should make this more clear though. Magneton Considerer: Pokelego999 (Talk) (Contribs) 02:06, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
- Sorry, didn't see that
- It does already. "planned for the second series of Class to focus more on the Angels prior to the series' cancellation." Let me know if I should make this more clear though. Magneton Considerer: Pokelego999 (Talk) (Contribs) 02:06, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
- I think you should add some more quotes- from the actors, and perhaps Moffat too
- I don't see much of a need for more quotes when the paraphrasing does the job of explaining this information well enough, unless you feel there's a quote you know of that should be included. Magneton Considerer: Pokelego999 (Talk) (Contribs) 02:06, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oh yeah, Moffat's quotes are paraphrased (which does remind me, you should change some of them to 'he'). I think Whittaker did speak about the Weeping Angels in series 13 BTS, and Tennant or Smith might have too, so like any quotes from them?
- I'll check through the BTS stuff from Whittaker and Tennant's era, but I lack access to Smith's, so I can't check his. Will update you as I find info. Magneton Considerer: Pokelego999 (Talk) (Contribs) 14:34, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oh yeah, Moffat's quotes are paraphrased (which does remind me, you should change some of them to 'he'). I think Whittaker did speak about the Weeping Angels in series 13 BTS, and Tennant or Smith might have too, so like any quotes from them?
- I don't see much of a need for more quotes when the paraphrasing does the job of explaining this information well enough, unless you feel there's a quote you know of that should be included. Magneton Considerer: Pokelego999 (Talk) (Contribs) 02:06, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
Appearances
[edit]- Change wikilink of cherubs from "cherub" to "putto|cherub"
- Done. Magneton Considerer: Pokelego999 (Talk) (Contribs) 02:19, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
Reception and Analysis
[edit]- Para 1- can you make this flow better, seems disjointed at the moment- just one review after another, instead of the commonalities and difference between them?
- All of these statements are people elaborating on why they feel the Angels are scary. They have a common thread, but doing any more than what I've done now would border on WP:OR or WP:SYNTH by attempting to synthesize conclusions out of their statements that were stated independently of each other. If you feel there's any ways you'd change this though I'm all ears, as I'm admittedly unsure on how to change this myself. Magneton Considerer: Pokelego999 (Talk) (Contribs) 02:19, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
- Something like "consistently popular antagonists, with various polls": "consistently popular antagonists, with various reviews and polls" maybe, and use the word terrifying less, and centering the reasons?
- Did a little shuffling. Let me know what else I should do. Magneton Considerer: Pokelego999 (Talk) (Contribs) 14:34, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- Something like "consistently popular antagonists, with various polls": "consistently popular antagonists, with various reviews and polls" maybe, and use the word terrifying less, and centering the reasons?
- All of these statements are people elaborating on why they feel the Angels are scary. They have a common thread, but doing any more than what I've done now would border on WP:OR or WP:SYNTH by attempting to synthesize conclusions out of their statements that were stated independently of each other. If you feel there's any ways you'd change this though I'm all ears, as I'm admittedly unsure on how to change this myself. Magneton Considerer: Pokelego999 (Talk) (Contribs) 02:19, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
- Para 2-fine
- Make the other 3 paragraps a new subheading
- Done. Added a subheading for the first two paragraphs as well. Magneton Considerer: Pokelego999 (Talk) (Contribs) 02:19, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
- Next 2 paragraphs- there are closing quotes, but not opening quotes in paragraph 3.
- I think that was a leftover from an older rewrite? Removed. Magneton Considerer: Pokelego999 (Talk) (Contribs) 02:19, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
- Also, shorten these 2 paragraphs, and perhaps remove the image- it seems WP:UNDUE to give them that much weight, especially legality- given that television, let alone Doctor Who, does not seem to be a focus of the book
- The Angels have a dedicated chapter to the comparisons between them and Lady Justice in Legality, so it's more than just a random paragraph of coverage somewhere, as an example. Image is mostly just for help in understanding the comparison, and I feel it's beneficial to understanding the reception, but I can remove it if you still feel it's best. Regardless, tried to rewrite the section to be shorter and more concise, which should alleviate the issue slightly. Let me know if you feel anything else should be changed. Magneton Considerer: Pokelego999 (Talk) (Contribs) 02:19, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
- Para 3 seems fine-ish. Para-4 is what I have an issue with- that seems like undue weight on views that seem to make a mountain out of a mole-hill
- These are both sources that hail from entire chapters dedicated to the Angels in published books from reliable publishers. It certainly isn't undue weight to include coverage of the extent included in the original books. Saying one view is smaller than another without a direct citation can be considered OR, so I'm straying away from making any hasty judgements, but I am open to changing how the content is presented to what you feel is best. Let me know how you want the content changed for this paragraph in particular. Magneton Considerer: Pokelego999 (Talk) (Contribs) 14:34, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- Para 3 seems fine-ish. Para-4 is what I have an issue with- that seems like undue weight on views that seem to make a mountain out of a mole-hill
- The Angels have a dedicated chapter to the comparisons between them and Lady Justice in Legality, so it's more than just a random paragraph of coverage somewhere, as an example. Image is mostly just for help in understanding the comparison, and I feel it's beneficial to understanding the reception, but I can remove it if you still feel it's best. Regardless, tried to rewrite the section to be shorter and more concise, which should alleviate the issue slightly. Let me know if you feel anything else should be changed. Magneton Considerer: Pokelego999 (Talk) (Contribs) 02:19, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
- Para 5- A separate sentence saying it was named after the Angels isn't needed. Just reword the para to fit in the last sentencee
- Reworded. Magneton Considerer: Pokelego999 (Talk) (Contribs) 02:19, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
Spot-check
[edit]Checking every 8th ref in general
- [1]: quantum-locked, which means they can only move when no one’s looking at them.
- [9]: she’s now a Weeping Angel
- [17]: WEEPING ANGELS IN THE WITCHER 3
- [25]: Heaven Sent, ... a classic monster had originally been set to appear in the episode - a Weeping Angel.
- [33]: trying to not blink in the freezing cold was so difficult
- [36]: their jerky, stop-motion-like attacks between blinks and flashes of light
Overall
[edit]Pokelego999, a few minor issues and a moderately big issue for the analysis section. Ping me to reply/when done. DoctorWhoFan91 (talk) 12:21, 11 January 2025 (UTC)
- @DoctorWhoFan91: Responded to your requests. Let me know if anything else needs to be done. Magneton Considerer: Pokelego999 (Talk) (Contribs) 02:19, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
Pokelego999 replied. DoctorWhoFan91 (talk) 06:17, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
- @DoctorWhoFan91: Responded. Magneton Considerer: Pokelego999 (Talk) (Contribs) 14:34, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
Everything looks great even after a spot-check. I do have some issues, but talking to some people, it seems Wikipedia at large doesn't. Happy to pass the article therefore, well-written. Congratulations, Pokelego999 DoctorWhoFan91 (talk) 07:40, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
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