Talk:Views on the Kyoto Protocol

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The Tom Wigley links appear to be..not dead..but not useful. Here is a summary of his studies. It's a lot more nuanced than the WP. The effect of the Kyoto Protocol on global warming On the Record Tom M.L. Wigley Spring 2006 'Now retired, Tom Wigley was an NCAR Senior Scientist when this statement was published in 2006. Kyoto Protocol implications for carbon dioxide, temperature, and sea level' Mrfebruary (talk) 00:31, 15 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Dubious sources

The parroting of quotes concerning how horrible George Bush is from a source called US Liberals quite simply has no place in an encyclopedia that is supposed to be unbiased. The section concerning the actions of Clinton and Bush administrations is taken, word for word, from a piece written by an individual, Deborah White, who served as a delegate for the California Democratic Party, amongst other things. Her ridiculous take on the actions of George Bush vs. those of Bill Clinton is uncritically copied and used as the ONLY source for an entire section of the entry. That her view is hopelessly biased goes without saying. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.141.154.75 (talk) 22:24, 24 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Describing some problems of the Kyoto protocol

This section could be implemented (perhaps a bit revised); the problems noted can not be resolved neither in the Kyoto protocol nor a successor:

One of the biggest problem seems to revolve around the fact that the countries decide on an average "allowed emission amount" per capita (which many believe should actually actually not exist at all). Many people, including prominent ones such as Ken Caldeira believe that an acceptable GHG emission per capita would be 0 tonnes (or -alternatively, very close to that, say 0,001 tonnes or so ^[1] The current protocol however has huge allowed amounts of emissions (between 3 and 10 tonnes) per capita and is as such extremely negligent.^[2]

Although 0,001 tonnes per capita would be acceptable, it can be expected that most people won't accept this and a better approach might be to just get rid entirely of this emission reduction-positive approach with the successor and replace it with an emitted GHG-negative approach. Obviously, it should be possible to still emit CO2, yet when emitting more than 0 tonnes of GHG, a sort of "fine" needs to be payed (carbon credits). This is much similar as what it is now, except for the method we employ.

See Talk:Climate_change_mitigation#Removed_section:_Making_the_emitting_of_CO2_illegal Atleast the top section should be mentioned here, the bottom section is allready briefly described at Climate change mitigation#Making_the_emitting_of_CO2_illegal

81.242.237.135 (talk) 08:00, 21 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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^ if you multiply this by the population -at present 7 billion people, expected to rise rapidly as time progresses- this still yields 7000 tonnes. This latter figure however, is still low enough to be eliminated ie by planting trees to sequester the carbon, hence still allowing a zero emissions policy.
^ See per capita emissions and carbon dioxide emissions from fuel combustion between 1990-2009 for the Kyoto Annex I and non-Annex I Parties.png total emissions; the average emissions are 8 to 10 tonnes per capita emissions for Annex-1 countries and 1,5 to 3 tonnes for non-Annex 1 countries. As the second graph clearly shows, multiplying this with the (huge) population makes:7500 to 9000 million tonnes for the Annex I Kyoto Parties per year and 7000 to 15000 million tonnes for the non-Annex I Parties per year

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[1] you multiply this by the population -at present 7 billion people, expected to rise rapidly as time progresses- this still yields 7000 tonnes. This latter figure however, is still low enough to be eliminated ie by planting trees to sequester the carbon, hence still allowing a zero emissions policy.

[2] See per capita emissions and carbon dioxide emissions from fuel combustion between 1990-2009 for the Kyoto Annex I and non-Annex I Parties.png total emissions; the average emissions are 8 to 10 tonnes per capita emissions for Annex-1 countries and 1,5 to 3 tonnes for non-Annex 1 countries. As the second graph clearly shows, multiplying this with the (huge) population makes:7500 to 9000 million tonnes for the Annex I Kyoto Parties per year and 7000 to 15000 million tonnes for the non-Annex I Parties per year

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