Talk:Uptown New Orleans

uptowners

I see an unregistered user has added Rapper B.G. to the list of uptowners. While this is very accurate and BG is indeed a notable uptowner, I think we should look at some way of including something like "numerous rappers" have have that link to a list of rappers who have lived uptown. That list will be quite long and include:

Master P, C-Murder, Silkk the Shocker, Romeo, Mystikal, Soulja Slim, Juvenile, Wacko, Skip, Lil Wayne, Baby aka Birdman, Mannie Fresh, Turk, KLC, UNLV (group), PNC (group) and probably about ten more worthy of mentioning based on album sales and notariaty.

Boundaries

I removed the following added by an anon:

Still others contend that "Uptown" consists more precisely of the area uptown from Napoleon Avenue to the border with Jefferson Parish, from the Mississippi River to Mid-City.

Quite possibly someone uses that definition, but I've never heard it, and I've seen no evidence of it being common. I lived on Napoleon Avenue for more than a dozen years, and never heard it described as one of Uptown's boundaries. If someone thinks this should be added back, please provide at least one reference using such a definition. Thanks, -- Infrogmation 16:45, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Suburban

Uptown fits all the definitions of a suburb. It began explicity as a suburb, as transportation enabled people to move away from the city. It has no high rise buildings. Even Metairie has these, yet it is still considered a suburb. It is divided into neighborhood developments. Driving is a major component of people's lives in Uptown. I do not know of many Uptowners who walk to buy their groceries.

Also, the Hurricane Katrina damage section is overstated. There was very limited wind damage in Uptown, as a result of New Orleans only experiencing Category 1 winds from Katrina. The notion that almost every house suffered structural damage is not only an exaggeration. It is a lie propagated by Uptowners who feel that they need to justify the sympathy they've received from the nation, even though their homes received no damage. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.171.75.176 (talk) 01:02, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Certainly all of New Orleans outside of the French Quarter began as a "suburb", but a good deal no longer fits the modern definition of it. For many people today, suburb implies images that are not in accord with the Uptown New Orleans cityscape, like tract housing of mid 20th century or later architecture of individual houses with off street parking, commercial activity largely limited to strip malls of branches of chain retailers, etc. Your repeated adding of "suburban" to the opening sentence has been objected to, as you know. Perhaps rather than insisting this is the best one word description, it might be better to add specific verifiable details? However from your statement you seem to have some sort of personal peve against the neighborhood and very little knowledge about it as your demonstrably false statements show (for the benifit of others reading this who are unfamiliar with this section of the city, there are high rises but they are the exception rather than the rule, a fair number of people make groceries on foot, bike, streetcar or bus, and while Uptown was among the less damaged 20% or so of the city in Katrina & its aftermath, it was still a disaster area as was the whole city-- for those who wish to know, details of damages in various sections can be seen in a good number of post-Katrina photos on Commons, FEMA and ACOE websites, and elsewhere). I suggest anon use their time adding better information about places anon knows about. Thanks. -- Infrogmation (talk) 03:23, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Note on citations

A random sentence in a pastor's letter at Xfellowshipchurch.com is not a reliable source for judging the racial ane economic makeup of a section of the city. Might I recommend looking for such information through the US Census.

Citing your own articles on Wikipedia is also not an acceptable practice, in regards to the wind damage from Hurricane Katrina.

If you continue to vandalize this page with absurd citations, you will be reported. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.171.75.176 (talk) 23:18, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

I agree that the fellowship church newsletter is not a reliable source for that statement and that Wikipedia articles can not cite other Wikipedia materials. I'm going to remove these references. VerruckteDan (talk) 22:45, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Diverse

The anon who previously was insisting on "suburban" in the lede is now repeatedly removing "Uptown has one of Greater New Orleans' most racially and economically diverse populations. " As it includes old money white mansions and poor black housing projects, as well as large sections where houses of varying size and occupied by people of different races on the same block are common, this seems to me no more controvercial an observation than, say, that many of the houses are made of wood. However reccomendations of better wording and discussion of ways to rework this are welcome. -- Infrogmation (talk) 01:21, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

You cannot provide a link to a contested statement. Also, you expose your racism when you call public projects "black". No wonder the rest of the city calls Uptown the Isle of Denial. It was Uptowners who celebrated the possibility of blacks not returning to the city that sparked the Mayor's chocolate city remarks. Midcity, New Orleans East, and the French Quarter are just as racially and economically diverse, if not more so than your hallowed, racist land. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.171.76.230 (talk) 21:58, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

• See Wikipedia:No personal attacks. Wow, that's a big pile unsubstantiated prejudice and utter falsehoods you threw out there. On the off chance that your edits are not entirely motivated by desire to be disruptive and promote bigotry and misinformation, are you seriously questioning that the projects have (in recent generations) been overwhelmingly black? That the old money mansions were overwhelming white? That almost every other part of Uptown is racially mixed? Spend some time visiting and checking things out some time. Ciao, -- 23:22, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

You were given two months to provide a link from a CREDIBLE source backing your claim. The fact is your opinion is unfounded, and there are other parts of the city which are more racially and economically diverse. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.171.76.230 (talk) 13:35, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

*Sigh* Check out the data (as of 2000 census any way-- I don't think there's comparable detailed more recent data) at http://gnocdc.org/orleans/index.html. Various sections and neighborhood sub pages. Data is broken down by neighborhoods within sections, eg Milan Income & Poverty, Milan people & characteristics. The sentence that currently peeves you simply says "Uptown has one of Greater New Orleans' most racially and economically diverse populations." It never claimed "the most" (although it would be a condender, but depenant on how one measures sections and diversity). The exact sentence doesn't come from some source, it's just a description of the situation. If you wish to spend time crunching the numbers and rank all the various sections in comparison to each other, go ahead. (Given your preconceptions mentioned above, I'm sure you're in for some surprises-- for example the French Quarter is no longer particularly diverse like it was generations ago). When if ever was the last time you were in New Orleans? P.S.: If you plan on sticking around Wikipedia and wish to have serious discussions with other users, I suggest chosing a user name and log in. - Infrogmation (talk)

Hurricane Katrina

The Hurricane Katrina section seems to vastly overstate the wind damage to Uptown. If you believe there is accuracy to these statements, can you please provide a citation to a reputable source, or provide any source at all?

The citation provided to support the statement about structures collapsing due to wind does not actually support the statement! The citation merely leads you to pictures of existing structures, a couple of which lost a wall in the storm, but did not collapse due to wind. Did structures, "here and there," really collapse due to wind? Can you provide a citation that actually backs this up if it is true? Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.241.121.113 (talk) 06:58, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

Rewriting the section with accurate citations is welcome. Some is from personal observation; yeah I know sourced citations is prefered. I added some of it in response to the wacky rumors that Uptown was unaffected by Katrina. (One might think that if one visits now, but wouldn't make that mistake back in say October '05. The whole metro area experienced hurricane force winds. Just earlier this week I had to correct a returned local who proclaimed that Katrina had no effect in Metairie-- I know some folks who lost pretty much all their possessions out in Metaire; one foot of standing water in a one story house can sometimes ruin things almost as badly as 8 feet.) For an overview of Katrina I reccomend Ivor van Heerden's book "The Storm". I note you edited to say that the levees broke after Katrina rather than during; I reverted as that wasn't the case. Van Heerden and associates did a study getting a time line by finding stopped clocks in the ruins! It is true that floodwaters didn't reach some neighborhoods far from any of the levee failures until a good while after the storm passed. Anyway, as to structures collapsing from wind damage Uptown, here are a few samples:

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More illustrations of post-Katrina Uptown can be seen in Commons:Category:Hurricane Katrina aftermath in Uptown New Orleans. BTW, if you plan on sticking around, I suggest you chose a user name and log in. Red beans & ricely, -- Infrogmation (talk) 21:44, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

Photos

Does anyone have any good photos of Uptown that they can post? It is a shame that the entry has only 1 photo when it is such a beautiful area. Also, the photo of Magazine Street should be changed; it looks like this photo was taken with a grey filter or something. Masteroflaww (talk) 02:53, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

I just removed the nasty Magazine St. photo. 74.250.198.96 (talk) 14:19, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

We have several hundred photos availible already, as you can see at the Commons:Category:Uptown New Orleans and it various subpages. Additional free licensed photos uploaded to Commons are always welcome. -- Infrogmation (talk) 14:47, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

Reference requests

There is a "citation needed" tag where the article mentions many old homes are built at an elevation. This is something that is pretty obvious to anyone who has driven or walked around the area or has looked at photos. Any reccomendations of reference citations for this bit of common knowledge? I'm sure it's been remarked on in some books on New Orleans architecture. -- Infrogmation (talk) 15:20, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

• Houses built on piers are common in Louisiana, as well as many other parts of the U. S. where flooding is, or was, a frequent occurrence. This is not unique to Uptown New Orleans. I added a general reference to this type of construction and removed the "citation needed" tag. I have also removed the additional citations tag at the top of the page, since I think it is OBE.Bruin2 (talk) 19:15, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

Merger needed?

There is an existing page called Uptown, New Orleans that seems to describe the same area, though with far less detail. Shouldn't that page be merged into this one, to reduce redundancy and eliminate confusion?Bruin2 (talk) 14:15, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Yes, it should. No need for repetition. ---RepublicanJacobite_{The'FortyFive'} 15:09, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Merger proposal

As noted above, the Uptown, New Orleans article is repetitive and should be merged here. ---RepublicanJacobite_{The'FortyFive'} 15:26, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

• After further research, it is clear that Uptown, New Orleans describes a small neighborhood area within the larger Uptown New Orleans. A direct merger of the two pages no longer seems appropriate. I have added some verbiage to the latter's History section to try to clarify this. A larger question seems to be whether pages for all of the subdivisions of Uptown are either necessary or desirable. Bruin2 (talk) 18:20, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

• • I have deleted the merger proposal flags from both this and the Uptown, New Orleans pages. Bruin2 (talk) 19:50, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

Needs a map

This article needs a map showing where Uptown is located in New Orleans.--Jim10701 (talk) 18:24, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

Desperately... natemup (talk) 01:51, 11 February 2023 (UTC)