Talk:Uniforms of the Royal Marines

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Information in the Historic section

The Historic section currently lacks information about RM uniforms after 1945, including Disruptive Pattern Material (DPM). It would be helpful if others would add it. Dreddmoto (talk) 14:02, 19 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Images

Currently, this article does not have many images. It would be improved if others would add some, particularly if they show uniform items that are not in the current images, such as the beret worn by personnel that are not commando qualified, caps and distinctive items worn by members of the Royal Marines Band Service. --Dreddmoto (talk) 14:15, 19 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Section for insignia

@BluesAndRoyals: This article could have a new section for insignia on RM uniforms. It could be positioned after 2.11 Number 3D General Duty Dress - ’Winter Training Rig’ and could include the cloth badges on combat uniforms. It might also be a useful position for the photograph of the cap badge on a green beret. --Dreddmoto (talk) 21:52, 6 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Royal Marine Artillery headdress upon formation

Within the publication Military Collector & Historian: Volume XVIII No 4:Winter, 1966 there is a print by the artist Eric Irvine Manders (1930 – 2022). It portrays artillerymen wearing shakos with a plate.

I had seen the illustration in Fraser & Carr-Laughton, portraying the uniform worn in 1816, and the plate that was attached to the hat. A colour version was done by Charles Stadden.

http://theminiaturespage.com/boards/msg.mv?id=454198

I had been under the impression that the standard round hat would have been worn until 1816. Are there any secondary sources out there, with recourse to primary sources, that prove the gunners of the RMA were wearing shakos prior to 1816? Keith H99 (talk) 19:19, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Keith H99. The profusely illustrated 1997 Pompadour Gallery book "Uniforms of the Royal Marines - from 1664 to the present day" by Charles C. Stadden and George & Christopher Newark (ISBN 0 9519342 2 8) is as far as I know the only work exclusively devoted to this subject. It states that neither the cylindrical felt shako adopted by the British Army in 1800 not the high fronted headdress of 1812 were ever worn by the Royal Marine Artillery. Rather the round lacquered felt "round hat" was retained by both the Marine Infantry from 1799 and the newly created Marine Artillery from 1804 until replaced by a similar round but peakless headdress, with a plate and resembling a civilian top hat, by 1816. The first real shako to be worn by either branch of the Marines was the "Regency" headdress of 1823. Buistr (talk) 23:13, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I thought it unlikely that the small amount of gunners would have worn a head dress radically different from that of the rest of the corps. Logistically, it makes no sense. The sketch from 1966 seems to be based on an assumption that the proposal for the uniform to be like that of the Royal Artillery was proposed and agreed to during the war. As I understand it, Charles Stadden had a particular interest in the Royal Marines, and in later life was not so far away from their museum, about an hour's journey by car. Also interesting to discover the shako was worn from 1823 onwards. Many thanks for taking the time to answer the question that I posted!! Keith H99 (talk) 12:10, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]