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Name change

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: There appears no consensus as to whether the WP:SMALLDIFFS is sufficient to disambiguate, as such, the status quo is retained. (non-admin closure) Alpha3031 (t • c) 12:39, 12 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Requesting a name change from Tom Rice to Tom Rice (politician) V.B.Speranza (talk) 13:00, 18 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 20 August 2023

Tom Rice → Tom Rice (politician) – Procedual nom per above. Note that this was discussed on the Discord server. CLYDE ^{TALK TO ME}/_{STUFF DONE} 21:22, 20 August 2023 (UTC)— Relisting. —usernamekiran (talk) 21:23, 29 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. According to [1], the politician gets 90% of the pageviews of the Tom Rices. CLYDE ^{TALK TO ME}/_{STUFF DONE} 21:45, 20 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Weak support. The relevant disambiguation page is Thomas Rice. Looking at massviews ([2]), this Tom Rice doesn't stand out as the primary topic, especially compared to Thomas D. Rice. They do stand out as the primary topic over the other two Tom Rice articles. Natural disambiguation using a common nickname isn't unreasonable but should be balanced against the likelihood that the subject is definitively the primary topic when using that nickname; I see some evidence of that here but not substantial evidence of that, and wind up coming down on the side of redirecting Tom Rice to Thomas Rice.
Note for closer that I am also here from WP:DISCORD—I don't consider myself canvassed to this discussion as the mention of it on Discord was not targeted, but if it's a concern, please discount this comment. Dylnuge ^{(Talk • Edits)} 13:28, 21 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nomination and Dylnuge. There are 13 men listed upon the Thomas Rice disambiguation page and, while the former congressman was in the news during 2022, his political profile appears to be much lower in 2023. Consequently, "Tom Rice" would best serve as a redirect to the Thomas Rice disambiguation page. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 04:54, 22 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support there are over 10 pages with the name Thomas/Tom Rice, to create a more distinguished view this page, since it is the only Thomas/Tom Rice without what he is known for between brackets, we should proceed with the requested name change.

V.B.Speranza (talk) 16:29, 22 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia policy allows for not using disambiguation (the formal name for the "distinguished view" you're referring to) in someone's name, even when there are other people under the same name, in cases where it's obvious that one of the people is the primary topic. For instance, Michael Jordan is the article about the American basketball player, even though there's also Michael B. Jordan and Michael Jordan (Irish politician) and Michael Jordan (mycologist) and so on (plus, fitting for this topic, plenty of people who go by "Mike Jordan", even including Mike Jordan (basketball, born 1977)).

The discussion for a move like this revolves around that primary topic question. I recommend clarifying why you think this Tom Rice is not the primary topic. Dylnuge ^{(Talk • Edits)} 16:59, 22 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose but not overly strongly. The congressman is not that noteworthy, but I am not especially convinced he is not primary topic here. There is no mention of the name "Tom Rice" in the Thomas D. Rice article; and glancing at sources, I haven't found any that give "Tom Rice" as a name he would realistically use, or one expecting readers to search him under. And as usual, we don't disambiguate just because other pages exist. --Quiz shows 22:31, 29 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.