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Semi-protected edit request on 10 August 2024

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create page for the anticipated 2024 The Weeknd album, Hyperlink page Tech4223 (talk) 17:33, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. M.Bitton (talk) 22:35, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The weeknd is an actor too. 86.8.52.191 (talk) 11:42, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A fact that the article lists several times, including in the infobox. Is there a specific place you think it should be added? Bestagon ⬡ 16:58, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Image

@Osh33m Can you explain why you're repeatedly changing the photo of R Kelly in the section artistry? I explained in my edit summary that I changed the mugshot because it appears out of place with the other images of Michael Jackson and Prince, but you've been changing it back without explanation. Endof talk 03:46, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The image was already the one that was there when I first came across this wikipedia page. I disagree that it appears out of place because in 2024, that's what R. Kelly is most known for. An image of him performing is inappropriate in my opinion. Osh33m (talk) 01:25, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

R Kelly isn't most known for his mugshot or his crimes however, he's most known for being a musician. If that's the case in 2024 is arguable, but the article mentions R Kelly because he influenced the Weeknd musically, so his crimes are ultimately irrelevant in the Weeknd's article and a picture of him performing is more appropriate.

Composition-wise the performance picture is better than the mugshot. Although I'll admit the photo I put in is somewhat blurry, the mugshot has too much grain which is noticeable. While the mugshot has a wide aspect ratio and is a headshot that only shows the head, the Michael Jackson, Prince, and R Kelly performance pics all have a tall aspect ratio and is a half-body headshot that shows the person from the waist up. This is what I meant by the mugshot is out of place. Endof talk 20:29, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I understood what you meant, but I still disagree. Having a picture of him performing is inappropriate because (as you said it's arguable that) he's most known for being a sexual predator in 2024, and that includes using his own art to lure is prey. That he influenced the Weeknd musically is irrelevant to the photo being used because the Artistry section already mentions that. If an image of his is to be included, it should be the mugshot. Osh33m (talk) 23:02, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I should have clarified that when I stated that he's most known for being a sexual predator in 2024, I was referring to the general public's opinion at that specific point of time. However, we should note that on Wikipedia, people should be referred to what they're most notable for throughout their lifetime. MOS:LEADBIO states that "Well-publicized recent events affecting a subject, whether controversial or not, should be kept in historical perspective. What is most recent is not necessarily what is most noteworthy: new information should be carefully balanced against old, with due weight accorded to each." To give just a few examples, Bill Cosby is more known as a a comedian and actor first rather than a sex offender and Jimmy Savile is more known as a media personality and DJ than a sexual abuser. I disagree that the musical influence is irrelevant to the photo; in fact, I think that because the Artistry section mention's R Kelly musical influence, it makes more sense to use a photo that thematically aligns with the text, i.e. the performance photo rather than the mugshot.

Anyways, if you still disagree, then I or you can put it on WP:3O where we can get a third opinion. Endof talk 00:30, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

R. Kelly being a musician is why he has a Wikipedia article, but I also believe that his incarceration due to sexual misconduct is what is most noteworthy. If an onlooker decides to read the article from beginning to end, the onlooker may end up interpreting it being about a person with talent who became famous and used the fame to his advantage in becoming a predator. Let's go ahead and put WP:3O on it. Osh33m (talk) 21:33, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I still disagree that R Kelly's sexual misconduct is what is most noteworthy. An onlooker may interpret the articles as a person who used their fame to take advantage in becoming a predator as you said of course, but we should still consider due weight, usually determined by consensus for controversial subjects. Consensus in the talk page of R Kelly's article is that R Kelly is first and foremost known as a musician, and that descriptors like "sex offender" shouldn't be used in the first sentence. Even using the mugshot for the infobox image has raised BLP concerns. I still also believe that the performance picture fits better with the other pictures of Michael Jackson and Prince because of its similar composition.

Because we still disagree on the image and have agreed to list this dispute on WP:3O, I have placed it there. Endof talk 19:40, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Response to third opinion request:

The mugshot should not be used. R. Kelly is notable first and foremost as a musician. It's why he's mentioned in this article. Reviewing this request this has been a question for discussion at Talk:R. Kelly as well and the general consensus is not to use mugshots in the infoboxes for WP:BLP. That seems like a good rule of thumb for this case as well. Nemov (talk) 15:51, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Baet leoncio

Weekend real name Baettwentyfour (talk) 04:57, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Genres

The Weeknd's music genres, according to AllMusic, are alternative R&B, contemporary R&B, and pop, so I think his genres in the infobox should be alternative R&B first, then pop, contemporary R&B, synth-pop, new wave, and dance. AndrewTheWikiEditor (talk) 02:58, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@AndrewTheWikiEditor Just because one source says this does not mean we must cater to it. 𝘮𝘪𝘤𝘩𝘢𝘦𝘭'𝘴 𝘥𝘦𝘢𝘳 𝘮𝘦𝘭𝘢𝘯𝘤𝘩𝘰𝘭𝘺, 00:39, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I know, it's just that his music is mainly R&B besides pop, so therefore, he should be known as an alternative R&B and pop artist. AndrewTheWikiEditor (talk) 00:56, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Bias

the very first part of the article is “Tesfaye is one of the most innovative and influential artists of his generation.” with no source to back it btw.... How? JawzBlack (talk) 19:20, 22 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@JawzBlack The entire article supports this claim. We do not use referencing in the lede. 𝘮𝘪𝘤𝘩𝘢𝘦𝘭'𝘴 𝘥𝘦𝘢𝘳 𝘮𝘦𝘭𝘢𝘯𝘤𝘩𝘰𝘭𝘺, 19:35, 22 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

There is *no way* that a subjective sentence like that should be put on an encyclopedia. No fucking way JawzBlack (talk) 19:38, 22 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed, I've reworded it to present the info as something he is regarded as instead of absolute fact. The2gingerman (talk) 16:12, 28 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Spotify Billion Streams

Is it true that statistics from Spotify aren't supposed to be in the overview of a page? @Mirrored7 removed my edit mentioning how he had the most tracks with over a billion streams and hosted the Billions Club Live, which I added as part of the ending paragraph to the overview as it is a big accomplishment and it has been recognized as one of his bigger achievements and I had multiple sources to back it up, and others have made edits over it to make it more concise but never straight up removed it before ItsJulTheJThe2nd (talk) 03:37, 30 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

If it's not then my bad, I don't edit too often, but I'm only asking because looking at Mirrored7's history of edit warring in other articles, it's leaving me a bit skeptical ItsJulTheJThe2nd (talk) 04:09, 30 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@ItsJulTheJThe2nd ive never seen anything regarding spotify in the mos, im pretty sure the user in question is banned from editing a specific article too so, 𝘮𝘪𝘤𝘩𝘢𝘦𝘭'𝘴 𝘥𝘦𝘢𝘳 𝘮𝘦𝘭𝘢𝘯𝘤𝘩𝘰𝘭𝘺, 06:31, 30 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah I saw that, in that case I'm adding it back ItsJulTheJThe2nd (talk) 13:24, 30 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 1 February 2025

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Change Makkonen to Mekonnen. His middle name (father's name) is an Ethiopian name, meaning "Officer". There is no such spelling as Makkonen.

Ma doesn't sound as መ but ማ. You can search for Mekonnen's name, and you will see a bunch of Ethiopians naming it Mekonnen. As evidence, my grandpa's name is also Mekonnen(መኮንን). Note that the double NN sounds as ንን.

Evidence Demeke Mekonnen Wikipedia

Oxford Reference meaning of the name Mekonnen Nath seas (talk) 00:56, 1 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Current sources in the article suggest that his name is known not to be consistent with traditional Ethiopian. ⟲ Three Sixty! (talk, edits) 21:41, 1 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

To add to article

In order to help make this article more properly encyclopedic, shouldn't The Weeknd's Grammy Awards boycott (which he announced in 2021) be mentioned in this article? (And also the fact that he finally performed again at the Grammy Awards in 2025?) Source: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/11/arts/music/grammys-the-weeknd-beyonce.html 76.189.135.48 (talk) 03:14, 3 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]