Talk:The Twin Dilemma

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Target novelisation

"His convulated explanation of how the regenerative process works"? Could we get a quote for this point, please; it sounds hilarious. NP Chilla 14:30, 1 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Opening titles

I'm pretty sure this is not the first opening credit where two pictures are used for the doctor... one serious and one smiling... I seem to remember it happening in the opening credits for the third doctor, too, at least. 142.76.1.62 (talk) 22:53, 29 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

^ nope. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.104.183.25 (talk) 23:16, 15 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Opening titles did not feature the Doctor until the eleventh season. In that season (which was the last Jon Pertwee season), a full-length picture of the Doctor was used in the opening titles, but not a face-only, or head-and shoulders, pic. Further, it was a single photo, so did not change expression. --Redrose64 (talk) 14:03, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Just a correction, opening titles featuring an image of the Doctor started with Patrick Troughton way before season 11. DonQuixote (talk) 01:42, 17 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Oh rats, my bad, you're quite right of course. Those used a single photo, no change of expression, which is I think what the original poster is querying. --Redrose64 (talk) 11:41, 17 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hidden message

Would it be noteworthy to include the fact that some of the computer graphics on display contain (in teletext form) a hidden message from, I think, Dave Chapman, the effects supervisor? I don't have a translation of it at the moment, but can rustle one up if I can find the screenshot. David (talk) 19:15, 26 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Update: the message is as follows: "mon nom bog off you twit ass face bu"/"dr who rules ok so does daves progra". I'm not kidding, that's genuinely what two lines of the block teletext graphics in episode one translate as. David (talk) 22:53, 4 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

Passed. History6042😊 (Contact me) 02:35, 27 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

This review is transcluded from Talk:The Twin Dilemma/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Nominator: OlifanofmrTennant (talk · contribs) 16:35, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Reviewer: History6042 (talk · contribs) 00:48, 25 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I'll be doing this for GARC. History6042😊 (Contact me) 00:48, 25 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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B. Reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose):

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Discussion

For the images, they all have captions where necessary and the two that need them have fair use rationales. History6042😊 (Contact me) 00:54, 25 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

There doesn't seem to be any edit warring. History6042😊 (Contact me) 00:56, 25 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The article is not too detailed, I don't think it needs more major aspects either. History6042😊 (Contact me) 01:16, 25 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I copyedited the whole article, there were many mistakes but I think I got them all. History6042😊 (Contact me) 01:16, 25 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The article is a little heavy on the criticism but I don't think it is much of a problem because the serial was reviewed very negatively, so there probably isn't much positive stuff to add. History6042😊 (Contact me) 13:55, 26 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I attempted to find a positive review but couldn’t; it’s considered the worst doctor who episode ever Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 15:44, 26 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Alright, if you couldn't find any that's fine then. History6042😊 (Contact me) 17:06, 26 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

There are some reviews in the following:

Howe, David J.; Stammers, Mark; Walker, Stephen James (1993). Doctor Who The Handbook - The Sixth Doctor. London: Doctor Who Books. pp. 77–78. ISBN 0-426-20400-X.
Cornell, Paul; Day, Martin; Topping, Keith (1995). Doctor Who: The Discontinuity Guide. London: Doctor Who Books. p. 308. ISBN 0-426-20442-5.
Howe, David J.; Walker, Stephen James (1998). Doctor Who: The Television Companion. London: BBC Worldwide. pp. 465–6. ISBN 0-563-40588-0.

which, whilst generally negative (e.g. Howe (in Howe, Stammers & Walker 1993), gives the serial a rating of 1/10), do all have a small amount of positive comment (e.g. Howe (as above) says looking back on the story now, one can see the eventual character of the Doctor quite clearly). But to cherry-pick positivity might be WP:UNDUE. I watched the first one or two episodes of the story on first transmission, and didn't watch Doctor Who again for about two-and-a-half years. It's true: Worst. Episode. Ever. Extracts from the second and third of these books were at one time available on the BBC website (certainly between 2005 and 2009, probably much longer), but are no longer present. This particular one was once at https://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/classic/episodeguide/twindilemma/detail.shtml but it's dead, and I can't work out how to get Wayback Machine to retrieve that properly, instead of something about modern Doctor Who. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 18:09, 26 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Spotcheck

I'll do a source spotcheck now, I will review sources 5, 12, 21, and 23. History6042😊 (Contact me) 14:02, 26 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

23 needs to say that "Despite the overwhelmingly negative reception for the serial, Baker's performance was somewhat praised." and "Morgan Jeffery also criticized the direction calling it "unusually flat" for Moffat." It does do this. Confirmed to be correct. History6042😊 (Contact me) 02:23, 27 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

21 needs to say that "Where the previous serial, The Caves of Androzani, is frequently cast among the very best of all Doctor Who stories, The Twin Dilemma is often regarded as one of the very worst in the history of the series." and "Despite the overwhelmingly negative reception for the serial, Baker's performance was somewhat praised." It does do this. Confirmed to be correct. History6042😊 (Contact me) 02:27, 27 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

12 needs to say that "Throughout the serial The Doctor is unusually violent, even attempting to strangle Peri." and "Where the previous serial, The Caves of Androzani, is frequently cast among the very best of all Doctor Who stories, The Twin Dilemma is often regarded as one of the very worst in the history of the series". It does do this. Confirmed to be correct. History6042😊 (Contact me) 02:30, 27 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

5 says everything it needs to. It does do this. Confirmed to be correct. @OlifanofmrTennant, good job, I will pass this. History6042😊 (Contact me) 02:33, 27 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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