Talk:The Amazing Race 25/Archive 2

Archive 1

Archive 2

New format

Seeing as there is such insane edit warring over the stupid nations in the section titles, and how someone previously raised the issue of that the information as to who says what episode title, I've dealt with both of them as such. The "race summary" section is now an "episode summary" section. Section titles are for individual episodes rather than individual legs. We should stop presenting these pages in the way we as fans want to present it and instead need to present this information in a way that is best suited for the reader and the general interest person. So that means all articles that have super legs must split up the super leg into two episode summaries.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 05:03, 21 November 2014 (UTC)

You know this type of format won't work for all versions (and in the long run), like the Philippine version and the Isreali version, since their legs are spread over multiple episodes. Also, in the first season of the Philippine version, tasks pop in and out of multiple episodes. Then how would you plan for HaMerotz LaMillion where there are episode titles for each episode, and I don't even know how the show divides its airtime. Also, what would happen to the recap episodes of season 6 and 7? Would you then add what was discussed during the episode, therefore including storylines? So do we have to include storylines in the other episodes too? But isn't that what you don't want included here? Also, the reason why these are divided by legs instead of episodes is because it would match the results table. So now what? Are you're going to divide that table by episodes instead of legs too? There are also one-off examples in some seasons of the US versions like the ones in season 18, 21, and 22 where they show part of a leg in the next episode. Albertdaniel222 (talk) 14:49, 21 November 2014 (UTC)

Oppose to having the title quotes as the section headers. The old format works better. Besides Ryulong seems to have an ownership issue over TAR related articles. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 15:26, 21 November 2014 (UTC)

This has gotten out of hand. I'm not sure if anyone is actually expressing their opinion anymore or just opposing a user because they have problems with that said user. We need to be focusing on the article itself and not who made those changes. I do agree the changes that Ryulong made looked a little bad, I mean if we were going to break it up by episodes, why not present the episodes the same way as in Survivor. It would also get rid of the ratings section. (I'm not proposing this, Im just saying if we were to do episodes instead of legs, that would be a better format).

Also, reverting something and simply saying "No consensus" is a bad explanation. (Sportsfan 1234). If you read wikipedias policies, consensus can be established by making changes to an article and waiting for someone to revert them or not, If no one ever reverts them, then that's the new consensus. If someone does revert them, the editor can either tweak how the edited the page and repeat the process or go to the talk page. So, even though when you revert a major change edit and this establishes no consensus, you need to explain in the "Edit summary" why you have just established "No consensus" and not have that as your resigning because it sounds like you reverted it because there was "No consensus", which there was until you submitted your revert...

Anyway, I also agree that Ryulong is being territorial over the things he changes and I completely understand. Working on a page and making a ton of changes is a LOT of work. No one wants to see their changes, reverted, which is almost like being told you spent all that time and your ideas look like crap and it was worthless.

I think we need to start respecting other peoples' opinions and edits and instead of telling them they look like crap and are pointless, tell them how they can improve they way they tried to change the page AND if they get rejected (Ryulong) then you need to respect that it wasn't best at this time for those edits or may never be best. This is the only way we can work together and make Wikipedia the best it can be.

Now time to go write a 4-5 page paper on "How to Improve American Democracy" in 2 hours...

CCamp2013 (talk) 19:31, 21 November 2014 (UTC)

The issue here is that we need to stop edit warring and focusing on such a minor part of this season that it's causing us to go after each other. Sweden is not important. Most of the information on the article is not important. No one needs to know about the person who was quoted to make the episode title. What we need to do is present the information in a way that is accessible to all readers and not pedantically focus on what exact countries were visited in a single episode. That is why I tried to introduce this episode summary style format instead of the esoteric race format. We should set these up as episode lists rather than this odd set up. There are so many other reality shows that aren't set up this way. Also, for the Philippines version it could be set up like "week #" instead of by episodes. And if we don't have episode titles then it's just "episode #" for the section title.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 20:38, 21 November 2014 (UTC)

HaMerotz LaMillion legs are still split into a varying amount of episodes. Sometimes 2, sometimes 3, sometimes 4. The Hong Kong leg in Season 1 was split over two and a half episodes. 184.70.8.70 (talk) 20:52, 21 November 2014 (UTC)

That does cause a problem.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 22:30, 21 November 2014 (UTC)

Another reason that I think the 'country header' version is better (other than the various problems that would arise from applying the new format to every season and version) is that TAR is a travel show. Which means that the locations visited (i.e. the countries) have more importance than episode titles. If you want, just remove the part that says who or what said the episode title, it is trivia after all.

I get that other reality competition shows aren't set up like this, but TAR isn't set up like the other shows either. As said before, TAR summaries excludes storylines, which is an integral part of episode summaries in other shows. Since we are excluding that here, we are therefore focusing on the tasks, and therefore the race course, and therefore the legs.

We just need a set of guidelines on how to structure the section headers for the legs. My suggestion is:

1) If there is a detour, roadblock, other 'named' tasks, pit stop, or at least 2 active route markers in a country, it is included.

2) If the course goes back and forth between 2 countries, the style "Country & Country" would be used.

3) Travel stop overs (such as Germany in season 19, and Spain in season 3) would not be included.

This would solve the Sweden problem since there is only one ARI in Sweden. But this does not equal the 'Countries visited' count. My suggestion is: "if there is a cluebox/clue giver on that country's soil, it is included". This would include Sweden in season 25, and Germany in season 19, which are both admitted by the show of being visited. Just because it wasn't the focus of the episode, doesn't mean it's not visited.

Albertdaniel222 (talk) 01:43, 22 November 2014 (UTC)

Minor unrelated tweak, added the Roadblock clue "question" into the summaries.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 06:30, 22 November 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 November 2014

I would like to request a change in image for Singapore - Marina Bay Sands Daniel.dala87 (talk) 04:27, 29 November 2014 (UTC)

Please suggest an alternate image then.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 04:29, 29 November 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected IS A BAD IDEA, SO HERE IS AN edit request FOR YOU TO DO on 30 November 2014

please change "drink fresh a full coconut's worth of coconut water" to "drink the water from a full fresh coconut" please change "On team member had to walk" to "One team member had to walk" Correct the grammar 67.49.229.219 (talk) 15:49, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

Corrections made.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 18:49, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

Live+7 table

I noticed that the L+7 table has been changed to L+3 fairly recently, but now that the Live+7 ratings are now being reported can we have a change back? Deadline has a proper list of numbers here that includes the Amazing Race ratings. This is the first episode numbers, I suggest Deadline be used as a source for weekly numbers. http://deadline.com/2014/10/how-to-get-away-with-murder-gotham-ratings-premiere-week-seven-day-850005/ 86.15.195.205 (talk) 21:56, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

Well just to conclude this, whenever the page is next free to edit for non users, I plan to update the ratings table and convert to L+7, the area has been neglected just a bit so I'll fix that.86.15.195.205 (talk) 22:43, 5 December 2014 (UTC)