Talk:The Afghan Whigs

Sub Pop

An article on The Afghan Whigs in the Seattle Weekly (the article thru which I first learned about them) stated that Sub-Pop learned about them from one of their bands, who discovered them playing in an Ohio bar. Anyone else heard this story? Does anyone else know which band that was? (No, it was not Nirvana -- I would have remembered that.) -- llywrch 19:34, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

afghan whigs

Wish you'd said how the group came up with the name.69.230.185.55 (talk) 10:15, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Dulli's last band was called the Black Republicans. The joke is that there aren't any (well, very many). "Afghan Whigs" is a similar play on words, as the Whigs were the predecessor to the Republican party and in the late eighties there weren't a lot Whigs in Afghanistan. Sorry, no cites although you could probably find one with a little searching (I hung around in the same circles back in the eighties). 99.254.31.36 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 03:58, 1 August 2011 (UTC).

Okay, here's a cite:

http://www.sing365.com/music/lyric.nsf/The-Afghan-Whigs-Biography/C231570850DDA3EA482568C0000BC489 99.254.31.36 (talk)

Steve Earle

As another user pointed out the opening entry is read like a glaring review.In fact the entire entry looks to be almost black-balling ORIGINAL FOUNDING drummer Steve Earle. I made additions to the post and they were immediately removed citing reasons that are obviously unfounded. For instance I added lins to Steve Earle's current band "Moonbow" and they were removed. It is almost laughable only people are being hurt. Not funny.

Dont you think that the original founding drummer who was involved on the highest levels of creativity deserves more interest than the "session drummer" from their studio?? Considering the fact that the album the fill in drummer was on tanked miserably, and Earle was on all of their albums up to the Black Love tanker, Earle should be allowed to be heard. Face it, he toured around the worlsd, was in all of the videos, helped produce the music, and is not able to be replaced by anything more successful. The session drummer who fills in for him can barely cover him. Steve Earle is one of the greatest alternative rock drummers of the 90s and that is just a fact. Hello, the album "Gentlemen" has been acclaimed by many critics as one of the best alternative rock albums of the 90s, and Steve Earle is the man who defined and held the beat through all of it.

Hyperbole? what do you call what is already posted and OBVIOUSLY protected?

leave the edit alone, or at least follow up on what was posted! The link to Moonbows facebook was taken off! Moonbow is not only Steve Earle but Dave Macelfresh who is Hank Wi;lliams III's guitarist and fiddle player (currently touring) but also includes Matt Bischoff who is also current celebrity status having just been on the tv series Survivor.

Steve Earle is CURRENT and ACTIVE and DESERVES to be heard and learned about. Anyone keeping this information from the rest of the people trying to find out is a purveyor of lies and a fraud. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.54.40.215 (talk) 21:30, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

The page currently may well be full of hyperbole about the band as a whole already – I haven't read it in any detail and most music pages here are – but that's no reason to add even more, and at that hyperbole focused on one non-constant member. Your additions are mostly shameless self-promotion in what is meant to be an encyclopedia entry. Are you suggesting that adding in brackets a note about Steve Earle being "one of the greatest rock drummers of the 90s" to a section heading is an improvement? Or that the kind of show-off music journalese commentary below is an improvement or suitable content for an encyclopedia?

• "No matter which side of the fence you are standing in regard to the drum section of this band, Steve Earle's style and raw natural talent drives the early sound of the Whigs, including but not limited to Gentlemen, touted as one of the greatest alternative rock albums of the entire 1990s"

Even the addition of details about what Earle is up to now, while a valid addition in principle, reads like an advert. WP is not a platform for ensuring people who DESERVE to be heard are heard. I'd suggest you read around some of the policies and guidelines to get a grip on what WP is meant for and, more importantly, what it is not meant for before reinserting this content. I'd especially advise looking at WP:COI. If you want to tell the world how brilliant Steve Earle is, I suggest you start a website of your own to do just that. N-HH talk/edits 09:36, 7 September 2013 (UTC)

So that means there should NOT be any links out to what Earle is doing currently because it is an encyclopedia? I wish I understood the logic behind that. There seem to be PLENTY of links to Dulli and the link to Earle is out of date, so to speak. I'm not sure I get shameless self-promotion out of it either considering I'm just a knowledgeable person in the area of the Afghan Whigs (doesn't make me a band member, OR Steve Earle) With all of that said, you might as well pull the entire entry. It would almost seem as if you would prefer to retard anyone trying to learn the most they can about this subject, in an age where "encyclopedia" is NOT represented in the form of a printed book(s), but in a dynamic hypertext and linking environment (ie- the ability to actually see MOVING pictures and actually HEAR audio.) Your response and actions to the additional information almost seem like you have a personal interest in Earle not being covered so much. In fact, the entry seems more inclusive of mister Dulli as an individual rather than exclusive to the "band". As for your remark about Earle being a "non-constant" member, I would like to add the fact that he was a member from the BEGINNING to the "end" (which is mostly attributed to the "Black Love Era" release. Anything after that is just rehash and mix really. The "new" drummer was the drummer from the Memphis studio (session drummer) who was asked to fill-in. THAT information is EXACTLY what one would expect to get a hold of by LOOKING IT UP! (unless some run amok rogue weirdo is wielding power to eliminate the facts, not unlike yourself.) By the way I am NOT Steve Earle. I am an Afghan Whigs fan and personal fried to the members of he band. You are responsible for perpetuating and maintaining a Greg Dulli electronic monument in the name of Afghan Whigs. Get real, because there are a lot of us out here. Going to keep reinserting the facts. More to come. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.56.10.122 (talk) 08:14, 9 September 2013 (UTC)

As I did try to make clear, the simple addition of factual and referenced details about what Earle is up to now, or even of things he did in the band, would actually be useful. The addition of huge swathes of bigging-up commentary is not. I'm only one person here, who happens to have this page on their watchlist. If you keep chucking all that kind of stuff back in and edit warring over it, you'll soon find others weighing in as well, to the point where your IP address(es) could end up being blocked from editing. This is meant to be a collaborative venture which runs according to some basic policy and guidelines. If things you want to add prove contentious, or seemingly against those principles, you're obligated to do a bit more to justify them. N-HH talk/edits 08:24, 9 September 2013 (UTC)

ps: if you want to add stuff, as you're starting to do again, I'd just advise you to be a bit more cautious. Don't add whole chunks of text or make massive changes in one go or in one consecutive run of edits, but add small bits of information, slightly more soberly written and with a bit of a pause in between, which add to the factual content of the page. When I get a moment I'll maybe try to look at the page as a whole and cut back any OTT stuff. I don't disagree that it's full of it now in other areas not relating to Earle, from the lead onwards. But, like I say, the way to a more balanced entry is not to add even more. N-HH talk/edits 09:04, 9 September 2013 (UTC)

Fair enough. The additions that I made were in the spirit of how things were already written. The most irritating part of this for me is that the references are so unbalanced and out of date, not just for Earle. I believe that anyone wanting to know about the Afghan Whigs would definitely desire to follow up in this way. I fully understand the premise of how this is supposed to work. I have issue with entries regularly (in regard to accuracy) and have never before posted anything. This one hits close to home and I just couldn't resist. The other band members have links to what they are doing now, which point to other websites, etc.. When I post one for Earle it gets pulled, and I do not understand the logic or reasoning behind it at all. Earle is the drummer, and everyone that knows anything about the band knows this (eg they wouldn't be looking it up to find out anything but what is going on with them now, most likely.) I understand where you are coming from with this being on your watch list, and I'm really not trying to fight over anything or to give you a difficult time. I just want all of the facts to be there. If I had time I would add an entire section explaining why Earle left the band, as well as other pertinent facts regarding the history of Afghan Whigs. If you follow the reference/source links you'll find that the original post is pretty much cut and pasted from other sources and the rest is pretty much is geared toward making Dulli sound like he is the band and quite a bit more, when Greg pretty much messed up everything from the perspective of the "band". I think he has come around in the last two years especially, and there is potential for not only ALL of the original members to work together but friendships to be salvaged. I'm not trying to add any of it because it seems to fit more in the realm of "soap opera" content. As for blocking me, I haven't logged into anything or have an account on wiki, and I'm using public access points to use the internet so that would block the general public from posting (that doesn't seem very fair to others.) I hope that you do read the entry and realize that I wasn't doing what I'm sure it looks like from your perspective. I really tried to keep my adds in the same spirit of how it is written overall. There is plenty that could still be added, but after all of this I don't want to be taking on the responsibility of doing the deed, so to speak. I'm disheartened by this experience. Someone posted the original entry and probably got it off unadulterated. Now when someone comes along to change or add something it seems that it could be terribly difficult to correct or eliminate any misinformation disseminated by the original entry/posting. At least you are diligent in following up with my posts on this "talk" platform, as I have been checking every day to see if there is activity. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.56.10.164 (talk) 23:44, 9 September 2013 (UTC)