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Conflicting information

This article states that General Omar Bradley relieved both Allen and Roosevelt from their commands, but on the Theodore Roosevelt, Jr. page, it states that General George Patton relieved Allen and Roosevelt from their commands. Bradley relieved more commanders during the war than Patton did, but obviously only one of them could have done so. I believe that the documentary Patton 360 supports the assertion that Patton relieved both commanders. In addition, on the George S. Patton article, it has this statement:

Patton has a reputation today as a senior general who was very impatient with the officers under his command, compared to his most famous colleague, Omar Bradley, but the truth is far more complicated. Patton actually fired only one general during the entire war, Orlando Ward, and only after two warnings, whereas Bradley sacked numerous generals during the war with little provocation, sometimes for the slightest transgression.

I hope that someone with greater historical knowledge than myself can verify the facts and either correct this article or the Theodore Roosevelt, Jr. article CrashRiley (talk) 21:21, 15 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Allen was criticized by both Patton and Bradley, however it was after Bradley assumed command of the 7th Army that both Allen and Roosevelt were relieved of their commands according to Bradley's memoirs. source: "Terrible Terry Allen: The Soldiers' General", by Gerald Astor, Presidio Press; ISBN-10: 0891417605. Bradley himslef stated in both his autobiogrrahies, "A Soldier's Story (1951)" and "A General's Life" that relieving both Allen and Roosevelt, was one of his most unpleasant duties of the war. Therefore, the Roosevelt article should be corrected. Tony the Marine (talk) 23:11, 15 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Balance

This article reads too much like a puff piece about Allen, written by one of his admirers. The most glaring problem I see is the discussion of his relief, which the article portrays as unjustified and even petty. There are disinguished historians who disagree with this - Thomas Ricks, for example, paints a generally positive picture of Allen, calling him the right man for the job, but he gives good reasons for his relief, including Allen's abuse of alcohol and how that affected his work^[1]. I don't claim to be an expert on Allen, I'd like to see some discussion on this. AlexFeldman (talk) 12:22, 12 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ The Generals

The Early Military Career stuff is just a quote from his biography

That's bad. Someone should fix that. Benevolent Prawn (talk) 21:19, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[1] The Generals

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