Talk:Terrorism in Sri Lanka

State terrorism

I have removed a part of the recently added section on State Terrorism (given below) from the article, because there is no need to elaborate on State Terrorism in Sri Lanka here, as there is a separate page named Sri Lanka and state terrorism in Wikipedia to cover the topic. --LahiruG ^talk 09:12, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

"The Sri Lankan government and the Sri Lankan Armed Forces have been charged with massacres, indiscriminate shelling and bombing, extrajudicial killings, rape, torture, disappearance, arbitrary detention, forced displacement and economic blockade. According to Amnesty International state terror was institutionalized into Sri Lanka's laws, government and society."

There are numerous articles which deal with LTTE & JVP terrorism (e.g. Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam; List of attacks attributed to the LTTE; List of attacks attributed to the LTTE, 1970s; List of attacks attributed to the LTTE, 1980s; List of attacks attributed to the LTTE, 1990s; List of attacks attributed to the LTTE, 2000s; List of people assassinated by the Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam; Suicide bombings in Sri Lanka; Janatha Vimukthi Peramuna; 1971 JVP Insurrection; 1987–89 JVP Insurrection; List of people assassinated by the Janatha Vimukthi Peramuna; List of assassinations of the Second JVP Insurrection; etc). So why don't you summarise their terrorism into one sentence on this article? It seems you are applying double standards here - one for terrorism which you support (Sri Lankan state terrorism) and another for which you don't (LTTE terrorism and JVP terrorism).--obi2canibe^{talk contr} 13:27, 14 June 2015 (UTC)

Please use the page Sri Lanka and state terrorism to elaborate on state terrorism, rather than do it here. If you continue to violate NPOV policy I will report you at the Wikipedia:ANI. --LahiruG ^talk 06:59, 24 June 2015 (UTC)

I'm afraid it is you who is in violation of WP:NPOV because of your vehement opposition to including even a two sentence paragraph on terrorism you approve of (state terrorism) but you are more than happy to repeat extensive content from other articles (Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam, 1987–89 JVP Insurrection, Prevention of Terrorism Act (Sri Lanka)) on terrorism you disapprove of. So please go ahead with your threat to report me to ANI. We'll see if you are man enough to follow up your threats or if you're a typical WP:BULLY - all talk and no show.--obi2canibe^{talk contr} 17:32, 24 June 2015 (UTC)

First of all, I should tell you that I am just a neutral Sri Lankan wikipedian, like many others, who do not accept any kind of terrorism (whether it is state or non-state). But it seems like there are certain wikipedians who accept terrorism of specific groups they love, admire and sympathize. It is not me who is vehemently trying delete and remove pages/content which exposes the crimes of terrorist groups here. Due to POV editing, presently the coverage of Sri Lankan war related articles are very unbalanced and what I am trying to do here is to balance the things. If you can point out the policies or guidelines you follow to add state terrorism in to this page,I can follow it and balance the things with NPOV editing by elaborating on terrorism in Sri Lanka in the page Sri Lanka and state terrorism.

I am not the bully who reverts the edits of all the new Sri Lankan wikipedians due to the fear of their potential threat to challenge your POV editing. You fear the newbies and revert even their good edits to discourage them and I have evidence. I just gave you a warning and if you continue with your unacceptable bullish behaviour I will definitely report you, when the correct time arrives. Don't forget that Wikipedians who has done hundred thousands of contributions also get blocked if they do not adhere to the policies in Wikipedia.--LahiruG ^talk 04:36, 25 June 2015 (UTC)

As we're not going to agree I've started a case on DRN.--obi2canibe^{talk contr} 18:13, 25 June 2015 (UTC)

@LahiruG: There is no policy on Wikipedia which states that if a subject has it's own article, it must be reduced to single sentence in other articles. Have a look at Terrorism in Iran which has a whole section on Iran and state-sponsored terrorism. Or how about Terrorism in Pakistan which has a section on Pakistan and state-sponsored terrorism?

I do not need to provide policies to support my addition, you need provide a policy to support your removal. The only policy you have cited is WP:NPOV. You claim having a section on state terrorism violates WP:NPOV but it is your edits that violate WP:NPOV. WP:BALASPS states that "An article should not give undue weight to any aspects of the subject but should strive to treat each aspect with a weight appropriate to the weight of that aspect in the body of reliable sources on the subject". You have included significant content on LTTE "terrorism" and JVP "terrorism" but you want reduce state terrorism to a single sentence (or completely erase from this article as you did with this edit). No sane person would say this is a balanced treatment. You have in fact given WP:UNDUE to certain aspects of terrorism in Sri Lankan i.e. LTTE "terrorism" and JVP "terrorism".--obi2canibe^{talk contr} 20:31, 26 June 2015 (UTC)

I agree with Obi2canibe, the Sri Lankan government has been accused of being involved in terrorism, such as the TMVP etc. and this article is the master article on terrorism in Sri Lanka, therefore it is not a balanced article if you omit this information. Just because there is an article dedicated to the topic does not excuse this article from mentioning it. Had there been no accusations on the government there would be no need for its inclusion. I think there should be at least one paragraph on the page that talks about these accusations. Be these accusations true or false, omitting it will be more unbalanced and POV than including it.--Blackknight12 (talk) 01:38, 27 June 2015 (UTC)

@Obi2canibe:It wasn't me who violated any of the policies you have mentioned above in your reply. This article was created by me to describe the topic non-state terrorism in Sri Lanka, its root causes, disastrous incidents and the hardships people went through due to it, rather than elaborating on state terrorism which is already covered in a separate page which was created in 2006. At one stage this page too looked like a stub on state terrorism, due to your POV editing (example). As we all know no other groups killed in thousands in Sri Lanka, other than the JVP and LTTE which were accepted as terrorist groups worldwide (JVP before 1994). I can understand your intentions here and why you want to elaborate on State terrorism in this page, because you want to excuse the non state terrorism in Sri Lanka as a result of state terrorism. Surprisingly, no one was interested to create page on this highly notable topic before and after I have created it with RS now many users are trying to point out the faults in it for not covering the already covered State terrorism in Sri Lanka.

User:Blackknight12: if it is necessary to elaborate on activities of TMVP (who is actually a David of terrorism in front of Goliath LTTE), then it could have been done in detail at the relevant page, as the child article was there for over 9 years though the parent article was missing. And if you think that it is important to add a paragraph on state terrorism in this page too (& vice versa), then it is better to be done by a neutral editor to avoid a potential violation of NPOV. --LahiruG ^talk 10:27, 27 June 2015 (UTC)

The article is not called Non-state terrorism in Sri Lanka, it is called Terrorism in Sri Lanka and as such should include all aspects of terrorism in Sri Lanka, including state terrorism. You have taken WP:OWN of the article to pursue your own POV. No other editor has supported your move to exclude state terrorism from this article.

No one was interested in creating this article before because the topic is covered extensively in other topics. All you have done is mashed up content from numerous other articles to create this article. There is little, if any, new content on this article. It is the definition of WP:POVFORK: "It could be that the fork was a good idea, but was approached without balance, or that its creators mistakenly claimed ownership over it". This is exactly what you done.--obi2canibe^{talk contr} 11:29, 28 June 2015 (UTC)

I have updated the article and added a paragraph of the Sri Lankan Government and terrorism. Keep in mind what is there now is only takes up a small percentage of the articles content. It has been rewritten to be neutral and to avoid violating POV. Please help us write the paragraph in order to fully balance the neutrality of the page but don't remove it or start an edit war.--Blackknight12 (talk) 05:26, 29 June 2015 (UTC)

Fine by me.--obi2canibe^{talk contr} 14:37, 5 July 2015 (UTC)

@Obi2canibe: According to you any article that exposes the crimes of LTTE should not be created in Wikipedia, due to hundreds of reasons. In Wikipedia, the term 'terrorism' generally refers to 'non-state terrorism' and hence the title of pages about 'non-state terrorism' does not include the term 'non state' in it (See the pages, Terrorism in the United States, Terrorism in India etc.). Most of the countries that have separate pages on 'state' and 'non state terrorism', do not have separate section on each other. Making false accusations against the editors who oppose your bias editing is a well known habit of yours, and you are using it to a good extent to deceive neutral Wikipedians who are new to the Sri Lankan war related articles. --LahiruG ^talk 06:32, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

Have responded at DRN.--obi2canibe^{talk contr} 18:25, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

Proscribed organizations

I have removed the section; when the state itself accused of Terrorism, it is ridiculous to list the same state's proscribed organizations. NPOV is not kept. Please discuss here before re-insertion.Lapmaster (talk) 06:00, 6 July 2015 (UTC)

That is not a valid reason to remove referenced content.--obi2canibe^{talk contr} 18:38, 6 July 2015 (UTC)

As you have not provided a valid reason for the section removal I am going to re-insert it.--obi2canibe^{talk contr} 11:46, 11 July 2015 (UTC)

Islamic terrorism

2019 Sri Lanka Easter bombings is not an isolated incident. There were few incidents related to extrimist Islamic groups prior to these attacks such as 2018 Mawanella incident. This sub section comes under the "History and Origins" of the Maina article to describe the background of Islamic terrorst activities in Sri Lanka. Hence the title of the sub section should be kept as it is, to avoid restriction of the subject to a single attack that happended on a single day. --LahiruG ^talk 09:26, 15 October 2020 (UTC)