Talk:Telephus

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This is all reported as if it were a biography. --Wetman 18:42, 31 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Can someone fix up the picture please. -- Healthinspector 13:46, 12 November 2006 (UTC).

I've uploaded a fresco from Herculaneum. Was this the one?--Wetman 03:04, 13 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Excepted

Does anyone knwo what verb was intended in this sentence?

King Aleus and the men in his Palace excepted the handsome youth

Goldfritha 00:15, 15 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Looks like accepted to me Johnbod 03:37, 17 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Better than what's there now. I'll put it in. Goldfritha 01:56, 18 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Self-fulfilling prophecy?

Obviously, this is as classical an example of the self-fulfilling prophecy as Oedipus. I don't know how much more can be added without distracting the matter, since the article is about Telephus, not prophecies. (And the point of the link was to keep from cluttering up this one.)
Anyone who can manage to make it clearer, shortly, would be doing good work. Goldfritha 00:18, 15 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The confusion here is with inexorable fate. As I recently explained to Goldfritha, not every prophecy is a self-fulfilling prophecy. In a self-fulfilling prophecy, the very actions that are taken in order to avoid the perceived prophecy are just what set in motion the chain of events by which the prophecy is fulfilled. In this case, the father of Auge, to prevent his grandson from overthrowing him, exposes the child. Telephus does overthrow his grandfather, to reign at Tegea in his stead (inexorable fate), but it is not because of the act of exposing the infant, which would have been a self-fulfilling prophecy, but rather in spite of the act. Clear enough? --Wetman 12:32, 15 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Clear but wrong. It is because of, not in spite of -- as the fight ensues from his ignorance of his birth. Goldfritha 00:53, 17 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Ignorance of Telephus' birth is not an element of the prophecy; thus it is irrelevant to self-fulfilment. Not to understand that "in a self-fulfilling prophecy, the very actions that are taken in order to avoid the perceived prophecy are just what set in motion the chain of events by which the prophecy is fulfilled" is to misunderstand the meaning of this modern term. An editor who thinks that all prophecy is "self-fulfilling prophecy" can't be permitted to highjack the information. I've moved Self-fulfilling prophecy to a footnote, so as not to delete it altogether.

Now, let's all concentrate instead on cleaning away imaginings based on the screenplay of the Brad Pitt movie.
--Wetman 14:40, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sfp's involve irony but are not its only form. Is irony what that colleague was onto?
--Jerzy•t 00:58, 11 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Laodice

In the section "Laodice at Troy" (Huh? Wasn't she from there?) i found & removed the vague comment

<-- have we been going to the movies here?-->

which i suppose is another ref to the (hmm! no longer recent) film Troy, which my Greek-mythology informant described as crap. I just removed from Laodice a two-'graph supposed Dab entry, which i added next to where i removed the comment i quoted here, between two existing 'graphs and without attention to whether it duplicated or screwed up the chronology. My only defenses are that i don't want to be distracted from fixing other likewise horrible parts of that Dab, and i tagged it for cleanup. I hope others with better Greece background will rise to the occasion by drawing on non-cinematic refs. (I note that the existence of crap movies on a given topic increase, rather than decrease the detail we need to have a sufficiently detailed article on that topic.)
--Jerzy•t 01:33, 11 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

In one section, it states that Laodice was "extremely faithful" to Telephus, and in another that she committed adultery with Acamus. Does this discrepancy arise from different versions of the myth? Clarification, please. Lily20 (talk) 17:21, 28 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]