Talk:Stick bomb

THE REAL HISTORY ALREADY

I got sick of the way the insufferable pedants mangled this article which *I* started. If you want to really learn the history of stick bombs, including my almost exclusive development of them, go to http://www.lunatim.com/kinart/stickhistory.htm and get the real facts. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.252.20.49 (talk) 12:29, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

totally unrelated

While stick bombs are definitely a part of kinetic art, they're significant enough, IMHO, to warrant their own page.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.159.23.211 (talk) 21:49, 19 February 2009

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"Stick bombs" have nothing to do with kinetic art. Bus stop 01:54, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

I removed the merge request tag because "stick bomb" has nothing whatsoever to do with kinetic art. Bus stop 01:59, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

exact definition

Are "stick bombs" different from "frame bombs"? They both use the same concept and technology, but Tim's stick bombs are only one method and frame bombs go into 3D and have lots of different forms. Frame bombs would definitely encompass the old schoolchildren kind. Also, I have a 3000 Popsicle stick frame bomb, but it is not really comparable to Tim's 1900 stick "stick bomb" because it's a different style. Maybe frame bombs should have their own article? I don't know that enough of a following exists. In my area, it's frame bombs all the way, but I don't know that that's a good sample. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Joe conflo (talk • contribs) 17:33, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

origins

How could they be built in the 1500's? They didn't even have craft sticks, or anything I can think of to substitute without knowing what you're after. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Joe conflo (talk • contribs) 17:13, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Safety guidelines

I'm removing the safety section since it is completely bogus. Who says you must stand 5m away from a "detonating' stick bomb? Also, safety goggles are not required at all. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fca neo (talk • contribs) 21:36, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

And I'm re-adding the safety section in spite of your lack of judgment. Stick bombs made with craft/Popsicle sticks can throw a stick well over a meter or two and large stick bombs (not the simple 5-stick variety) can spontaneously explode due to weak sticks and warping. I have a hell of a lot more experience with stick bombs than practically anybody else on Earth ('cept Joe), and safety goggles are NECESSARY. I have a disclaimer on my personal website about safety goggles for this reason. If you want to put kids at risk with your bad advice, that's between you and some personal-injury attorney. But, for heaven's sake, stop messing with the necessary safety recommendations. If you keep removing the safety recommendations, I'd rather you just simply delete the entire article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lunatim (talk • contribs) 22:56, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

It should be pointed out that these devices are "mostly harmless," and that anyone who insists on reasonable precaution risks being called a wuss by those who dare to run with scissors.

Anyone who agrees with my observation is invited to append it to the safety guidelines as a compromise with the above contributor. Alan R. Fisher (talk) 17:19, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

lol @ safety guidelines. It's a children's game. There's a ton of crap in the world that can get in your eyes, but you don't have to wear safety goggles everywhere you go. It's not going to poke an eye out. It might brush against one out of a million eyes, but so does every other children's toy. The safety precaution is bogus IMO. GAMEchief (talk) 00:25, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

And you're really, really careless. It's a good thing I went on America's Got Talent as the Kinetic King and told millions of kids to 'practice safe sticks' by wearing safety goggles. If you want to get sued by some parent if their kid gets poked in the eye, that's your issue. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.252.20.49 (talk) 12:32, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

Good Bye

I've decided to dissociate myself completely from this article, despite having started it. People keep deleting important safety information from this article (you MUST wear safety goggles when making stick bombs). I keep trying to upload an animated .gif of a stick bomb exploding in slow motion, but some damned bot keeps deleting it. Finally, people keep deleting the link to my webpage as well--not that the 7 or 8 hits a week I get from it really matters much. I'd rather put future articles on kinetic art on my own webpage where they can't be mangled by delete-happy Philistines. I'm outta here...

Learn how Wikipedia works. No advertising your personal site and give valid fair use information for your images. Also, your stick bomb "records" need a vaild reference. Most of the information you contributed is original research. 90.209.146.56 (talk) 19:44, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

upvote! 70.180.48.16 (talk) 09:11, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

Image

The image on this page is very strange. The way the sticks overlap on the right hand side makes it look like the sticks are passing through each other. Anyone wanting to make a stick bomb from this image may find it confusing. It looks like it was vectorised from a photo. Why not just upload the original photo? 7th March 2008

Help?

can someone tell me how you make stick bombs? it would be useful info to have a step by step guide for the making process (67.171.70.92 (talk) 18:43, 3 November 2008 (UTC))

Check framebomb.com 's got it all. joe conflo (talk) 01:36, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Safety guideline

I don't think it's at all apprioriate for this article.

It says it is "necessary" to wear safety googles, that it "must" be done - well, no it mustn't. There is no law that says you have to, you won't be breaking any fundamental laws of mechanics if you don't. Just because some person thinks it's necessary, just because it might be a good idea, doesn't mean it should become written in stone in an encyclopedia article that you have to do something.

Safety reccomendations are not at all appropriate for an encyclopedia article. Maybe for a "howto" page, but that isn't what this is. This is supposed to tell the reader exactly what a stick bomb is, what it does, and where it comes from. Safety reccomendations are just, well, almost pretentious.

Not to mention, safety reccomendations are impossible to source - they are based solely on opinion. Just beacuse you "think" you have to stand 1 metre away from anybody using a stick bomb, doesn't mean that everybody has to think that aswell. It is not a fact, it is what somebody thinks.

An encyclopedia is not designed to tell people what to think or how to act. It's supposed to tell people what stuff is.

I suggest removing it.

217.42.219.185 (talk) 22:37, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Done. --  DasRakel  ✍  09:43, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Stick Bomb explosion speeds?

Can someone cite an legit reference to stick bomb explosive speeds? Otherwise, I say it should be removed for lack of reference because it sounds like someone just made up the numbers without it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tito151 (talk • contribs) 20:49, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Handgranade

The reference to Handgranade and german Stielgranade makes no sense what so ever. It´s a disgrace. Please delete. 77.132.189.126 (talk) 05:48, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Violation of Rules

Most of this article was written in clear violation of Wikipedia's rules for writing articles. The person who wrote most of this article was Tim Fort who developed complex stick bombs and thus is in violation of the rule against using original research in Wikipedia articles. Also, there is no empirical basis for the figures on stick-bomb speeds. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.138.114.130 (talk) 06:39, 2 August 2011 (UTC)