Talk:SpVgg Greuther Fürth

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German football league system (can be confusing)

There was a fair few mistakes in the article about which division the club played in from 1945 to 1974, tried to correct this. The pre-1974 system can be a bit confusing:

Oberliga = 1st division (until 1963)
2nd Oberliga = 2nd division (until 1963)
Regionalliga = 2nd division (from 1963 to 1974)
Regionalliga = 3rd division (from 1994 to 2008)
Regionalliga = 4th division (from 2008)
No Regionalliga from 1974 to 1994!
Oberliga = always one league below Regionalliga (from 1963)

EA210269 03:08, 2 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Crest

What is the black and red thing in the crest? I'm just curious what exactly it is, as I can't make it out. It looks almost like a flag of some kind, but it is of a wierd shape, so I don't think that's it. Can anyone help? -- Grant .Alpaugh 22:48, 14 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

From de:Wikipedia - The description of the coat of arms is : divided green and gold, a silver bar above, below a red lined black wooden shoe. So its a wooden shoe taken from the coat of arms of Vestenbergsgreuth which in turn was taken from the coat of arms of a dominant local family known as the Holzschuher (the Woodshoes). Wiggy! (talk) 00:57, 15 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, thanks. -- Grant .Alpaugh 04:11, 15 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Schroeck

This player has both german and philippin passport (german father and philippin mother), but according to FIFA and UEFA rules he is listed as german player. And in fact he is: born and living in Germany, native german speaker and allways playing in german football clubs. He was asked for playing for philippin national team but didn´t agree. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kleeblatt (talk • contribs) 09:58, 27 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Please, guys, before changing Schroeck´s nationality: do a research, give evidence (espc. official sources from club, football associations etc.) and discuss it. Thanks.Kleeblatt (talk) 10:53, 14 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Now we have reliable source: SpVgg Greuther Fürth homepage: http://www.greuther-fuerth.de/v3/aktuelles/news.php?newsnr=7461 Kleeblatt (talk) 10:24, 14 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Fürth and Vestenbergsgreuth -a merger?

The article says: The current club was formed only very recently out of 1 July 1996 merger of traditional side Spielvereinigung Fürth and the senior football side of newcomer Turn- und Sportverein Vestenbergsgreuth.

Well, Vestenbergsgreuth withdraw it´s team from football league and "Greuth" football side joined into SpVgg Fürth. Therefore SpVgg took "Greuther" as a new part of it´s name, but they didn´t found a new club. It is still old SpVgg founded in 1903. "Merger" has different meanings and I don´t know the correct juridical terms in english language. In German there´s a difference between "Fusion" (two or more partners unite and found a new club, bank, enterprise etc.) and "Beitritt" (one partner is incorporated into another). According to german law and football association bylaws it was a "Beitritt" and not a "Fusion". See f.e. SpVgg homepage and a new book about the club "Das Kleeblatt - 100 Jahre Fußball im Fürther Ronhof" by Jürgen Schmidt, a journalist and former player of II.squad. In 1996 "Greuth" chairman Helmut Hack became chairman of SpVgg and seven former Greuther players joined the squad, but the club stayed in Fürth, kept it´s old stadium, most members and supportes were from Fürth, they kept their old colours white and green, their tradition etc. Not only for juridical reasons but esp. in emotional and psychological view this is very important for most club members and supportes. Kleeblatt (talk) 16:58, 4 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

You've provided some interesting detail and background. I'll digest it and try to fix the article up (unless somebody beats me to it). Come check it out and leave your opinion in a couple of days. Wiggy! (talk) 04:51, 5 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Henry Kissinger is honory member (and life-long supporter) of Fürth

should that be mentioned in the article ??? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.5.184.66 (talk) 05:42, 5 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Definitely yes! Kissinger is an important person (Nobel Peace Prize!). He was born in Fürth and is honorary citizen. In his youth he played football for SpVgg. When Nazis forbid jews playing football in usual clubs (they had to join jewish clubs in special jewish leagues) Kissinger played "illegal" with his not-jewish comrads from SpVgg. For all his live he observed his club. F.e. when Vestenbergsgreuth joined SpVgg he sent a video message for general meeting where SpVgg members voted.Kleeblatt (talk) 10:25, 7 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Dani Schahin

He was asked for playing for lebanon`s national team, but this isn´t fixed yet. He is still listed as german player rsp. german nationality. So please wait and change it when it is fixed and confirmed by an offical source. Don`t change because of rumors, plans or things that might come. ManfredV (talk) 15:58, 21 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Tayfun Pektürk

He can play midfielder and forward. But in Fürth his only playing position is midfielder and SpVgg Fürth's homepage says: midfielder ManfredV (talk) 13:56, 19 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Schmidtgal

His position is left defender. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ManfredV (talk • contribs) 19:39, 19 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Players positions

One or more guys are going to change positions of Schmidtgal, Nehrig and Pektürk. Maybe they have wrong informations or it is vandalism. Player's positions can be found on SpVgg homepage and of course by looking at team selection and watching matches.

These are correct positions:

- Bernd Nehrig was FW at his former clubs, but in Fürth he first was MF and for more than 2 seasons he is right defender.

- Heinrich Schmidtgal can play MF and DF, but in Fürth he always plays left back

- Tayfun Pektürk can play MF and FW, but in Fürth (were he is substitute in most matches) he plays MF

Therefore SpVgg homepage has Nehrig and Schmidtgal as DF and Pektürk as MF. ManfredV (talk) 19:35, 12 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Ilir Azemi's nationality

Some editors thinks it's not NPOV to state he's a Kosovar, haha. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 218.22.21.3 (talk) 07:26, 21 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

He is a Kosovar. Kosovo is an independent state which has diplomatic approval by about 90 - 100 nations,inculding Germany and many other EU-members. So what is the problem? — Preceding unsigned comment added by ManfredV (talk • contribs) 07:37, 21 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

And again: Has he got an albanian passport? Did he play a match for Albania´s national team? Please give a reliable source ManfredV (talk) 21:35, 13 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

This is from german Bundesliga (DFL) official players list: http://www.bundesliga.de/de/liga/clubs/spvgg-greuther-fuerth/spieler.php?player=46700 and this from SpVgg homepage:http://www.greuther-fuerth.de/profis/spieler.html both official sources say: Kosovo. And as long we get no other information or he will play a match for Albania, don´t change his nationality to Albania, please! ManfredV (talk) 20:03, 2 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Meanwhile he played his first match for Kosovo:http://www.nordbayern.de/nuernberger-nachrichten/nn-sport/furths-azemi-hat-geschichte-miterlebt-1.3502877 ManfredV (talk) 13:03, 7 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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