Talk:Somewhere Out There (An American Tail song)

This article is within the scope of WikiProject Songs, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of songs on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.SongsWikipedia:WikiProject SongsTemplate:WikiProject Songssong

Film

This article is within the scope of WikiProject Film. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see lists of open tasks and regional and topical task forces. To use this banner, please refer to the documentation. To improve this article, please refer to the guidelines.FilmWikipedia:WikiProject FilmTemplate:WikiProject Filmfilm

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: page moved. Vegaswikian (talk) 21:24, 7 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Somewhere Out There (James Horner) → Somewhere Out There (James Horner song) – To move back to original article title which correctly uses the word "song" to disambiguate Richhoncho (talk) 19:34, 31 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Standard practice for all song articles that require disambiguation. Jenks24 (talk) 22:08, 31 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Sonata Pathétique

I've removed a section out of the lead that compares "Somewhere out there" to a tune by Beethoven. The section was sourced to to youtube videos, one of "Somewhere out there" the second one was of the Beethoven tune. The section stated that the two songs were similar but the arrangement of somewhere out there created something new.
That seems to be a violation of synth as it suggests something the youtube videos themselves do not. It may also border on Original research. Please discuss before returning that section back in. KoshVorlon. We are all Kosh ... 15:45, 14 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I'm reversing the May 16 edit by 50.70.180.250 which restored the Sonata Pathétique reference discussed above. I've also changed the title of this section as I suspect editor 50.70.180.250 didn't realize that this section addressed the relevant reference. There doesn't seem to be any authoritative source for the claim that "Somewhere Out There" is in fact based on the adagio from the Sonata Pathétique. Coincidentally I created the Wiki article on Louise Tucker's "Midnight Blue" which admittedly utilizes the melody of the Sonata Pathétique adagio & I've also contributed heavily to this article - & I never noticed a resemblance between the two songs until it was pointed out. I do now note a resemblance between the two songs but to me it's not an overwhelming one: without an authoritative citation for "Somewhere Out There" being based on the Sonata Pathétique it's obviously a subjective call - aka POV - whether the resemblance is notable.--Cherrylimerickey (talk) 20:26, 31 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

You must be deaf. Somewhere Out There and the Beethoven melody are identical.DigbyDalton (talk) 02:57, 23 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

3rd time - Beethoven claim + youtube reference added

The following info has been repeatedly inserted into the article's lead paragraph:

"The melody of the song is that of the second movement of Beethoven's 8th Sonata."
A link to a Youtube video of Beethoven's Sonata "Pathétique" (#8 c minor, op. 13, 2nd movement: adagio cantabile) is added as a reference.

There are no acceptable sources cited for the inserted info per WP:VERIFY, and appears to be WP:OR and WP:SYNTH.

This information has been inserted--and reverted--three times so far:

User DigbyDalton added the same claim + youtube vid twice (#1: 2012; and #3: 2017).
IP user 50.70.180.250 added the same claim (minus the youtube link) once (#2: 2014).

1st instance, Feb 2012, by DigbyDalton:

12:49 25 Feb 2012 - diff #1, DigbyDalton

>>Reverted and noted on talk page by KoshVorlon (see section "Sonata Pathétique" above) on 10:40, 14 February 2013 - reversion #1

2nd instance, May 2014, by IP: 50.70.180.250:

08:48, 16 May 2014 - diff #2, 50.70.180.250 - unsourced claim only

>>Reverted and noted on talk page by Cherrylimerickey (see section "Sonata Pathétique" above) on 15:47, 31 May 2014 - reversion #2

3rd instance, Dec 2017, by Digby Dalton (in 2 edits - more difficult to remove):

02:20 8 Dec 2017 - diff #3a, DigbyDalton - added unsourced claim

02:25 8 Dec 2017 - diff #3b, DigbyDalton - added youtube link

>>Reverted by Big universe on 00:41, 21 December 2017 - reversion #3a - youtube

>>Reverted by Big universe on 00:44, 21 December 2017 - reversion #3b - claim

Notes:

This is not likely to be linkspam, since the youtube links are different.
The IP user's last activity was in 2014, shortly after their edit on this article's page was reverted; total activity spanned a little over a year.
This info should only be added again if and only if one or more reliable source(s) are also added. This does not include youtube videos, the inclusion of which would be WP:SYNTH.

Cheers, Big universe (talk) 00:42, 23 December 2017 (UTC).[reply]

Requested move March 1, 2020

Somewhere Out There (James Horner) → Somewhere Out There (An American Tail) – as Horner is not the sole songwriter. It’s more known as the song from the film as opposed to Horner by himself. Rusted AutoParts 17:43, 1 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 13 May 2020

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Moved (non-admin closure) Iffy★Chat -- 13:17, 22 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Somewhere Out There (James Horner song) → Somewhere Out There (An American Tail song) – Alternatively Somewhere Out There (Linda Ronstadt and James Ingram song). Incomplete RM from March. There are 3 songwriters not just Horner. © Tbhotch^™ (en-3). 03:50, 13 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Support Rreagan007 (talk) 07:51, 14 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Shhhhwwww!! (talk) 18:51, 16 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support either title. ResPM^{come to my window} 21:47, 20 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.