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wang's'(kings)

Let's not apply English grammar to pluralize Chinese words, eh?

Gonna revamp this article

See title for details.Teeninvestor (talk) 23:26, 27 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Translation

Translation is underway. Doing the History section last, as a decent portion of the information is already there in the current English page. Some of the Chinese info is superfluous, and I'll probably condense or omit quite a bit. White whirlwind (talk) 21:53, 29 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Maps and tables

This page badly needs some maps to show the state of the kingdoms at various junctures, and some sort of table or timeline to show a basic chronology. Kisch (talk) 12:47, 19 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

To add to article

To add to this article: is the Sixteen Kingdoms period considered to be part of the Six Dynasties period? 173.88.246.138 (talk) 19:55, 19 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The Six Dynasties usually refer to the six regimes led by Han Chinese rulers, with capital in modern-day Nanjing, that ruled southern China from the 3rd to the 6th centuries. Apart from the brief unification of China under the Western Jin dynasty, the Six Dynasties did not control northern China, which was fractured during the Sixteen Kingdoms period and largely united during the Northern Dynasties. As none of the northern kingdoms of the Sixteen Kingdoms period nor the northern dynasties of the Northern and Southern Dynasties period controlled Nanjing and southern China, those two historical periods coincided but are not considered part of the Six Dynasties. ContinentalAve (talk)

Inconsistency with dates

Hey, I just noticed that this article states that the Northern and Southern Dynasties period began after the unification of northern China by northern Wei (in 439). But in the Northern and Southern Dynasties article, it says that the Northern and Southern Dynasties period began after the Liu Song dynasty was established (in 420). So this seems to be an inconsistency. When exactly did that period begin? Ratata6789 (talk) 15:40, 3 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The Northern and Southern Dynasties refers to the period between the 5th and 6th centuries when northern and southern China were ruled by separate dynasties that succeeded each other until the unification of China by the Sui Dynasty. The year 420 can be understood as the beginning of the Southern Dynasties from the standpoint of the south as Liu Song's replacement of the Eastern Jin began a series of southern dynasties. However in 420, northern China had not been united. The Western Qin, Western Liang, Northern Liang, Xia and Northern Yan kingdoms still challenged the Northern Wei's primacy in the north. The Northern Wei eventually vanquished those remaining kingdoms and became the first of the northern dynasties. From the standpoint of the North, the northern dynasties began in 439 when the last of the Sixteen Kingdoms gave way to the Northern Wei. ContinentalAve (talk) 07:28, 2 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]