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COI Request

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Hello editors, I used to work with Simcha and have been asked to update this page from a current employee. I have disclosed my conflict of interest. I'd like to suggest some improvements to Simcha Jacobovici's page, and I very much appreciate your help. I have listed my suggestions below:


I would like to add the following paragraph to the end of the "Biography" section:

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Jacobovici has lectured on many campuses including Johns Hopkins, McGill and Yale. Jacobovici lectured at many academic conferences including the European Association for Biblical Studies (EABS) annual conference at Humboldt University of Berlin.[1][2]

  • Reason for the change:

Simcha has lectured many times and I believe should be included on his page.

 Not done, this is unecessary detail. Admittedly so is much of the rest of the page but no need to make it worse. Rusalkii (talk) 06:46, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I would like to add the following paragraph as the new second paragraph in the "Controversies" section:

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In The Exodus Decoded, Jacobovici argued that, based on Biblical coordinates, Hashem el-Tarif, a mountain on the Sinai Peninsula, is the most likely candidate for Mount Sinai where, according to the Bible, Moses received the Ten Commandments.[3] In the film, he also argued, along with Professors Manfred Bietak and James Hoffmeier, that Lake el-Ballah in Egypt’s Delta, which is presently dried out as a result of the Suez Canal, is the Biblical “Yam Suph”, where the Book of Exodus claims God split the sea for Moses and the Israelites.[4][5]

  • Reason for the change:

These were famous claims Jacobovici made in both film (Film) and print (Article). If he’s right, they are major discoveries. At the very least, people should be aware of the controversy.

 Not done, for it to be a "controversy" we need to see what people thought was controversial about it, this is just "he said this was true". Rusalkii (talk) 06:46, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]


I would like to add the following paragraph as the final paragraph in the "Controversies" section:

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Despite being the target of numerous criticisms with respect to the above claims, it’s been difficult to dismiss Jacobovici’s arguments since he is a three-time Emmy-Award winning filmmaker, journalist, NYT best-selling author and lecturer.[6][7][8]

  • Reason for the change:

The reason Jacobovici’s claims have become controversial is because he is a credible individual. Otherwise, he would have been ignored. This paragraph provides the context.

 Not done the reader can judge his credibility for themselves based on the rest of the article. Rusalkii (talk) 06:46, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]


I would like to add a new section under "investigative Archaeology" called "Charitable work".

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References

  1. ^ "Gordon Sinclair Award - Simcha Jacobovici - Academy.ca". Academy.ca. Academy of Canadian Cinema & Television. Retrieved April 2, 2024.
  2. ^ "SBL Meetings and Events". Society of Biblical Literature. Retrieved April 2, 2024.
  3. ^ "Mount Sinai has been located". The Jerusalem Post. September 25, 2013.
  4. ^ Hoffmeier, James K. (2021). "The Hebrew Exodus from and Jeremiah's Eisodus into Egypt in the Light of Recent Archaeological and Geological Developments". Tyndale Bulletin. 72 (72): 73–95. doi:10.53751/001c.32999. Retrieved March 26, 2024.
  5. ^ Hoffmeier, James K. (October 6, 2005). Ancient Israel in Sinai. Oxford University Press. p. 75-110. ISBN 9780195155464.
  6. ^ Cite error: The named reference Conference was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
  7. ^ Cite error: The named reference Conference2 was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
  8. ^ Charlesworth, James H. (December 19, 2013). The Tomb of Jesus and His Family?. Eerdmans Publishing Co. ISBN 9780802867452.

Charitable work

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Jacobovici has been involved in several not-for-profit organizations. From 1978-1980, he was the Chairperson of the North American Jewish Students’ Network, the then union of Jewish students in North America.[1] In 1984, along with Dr. Mark Doidge and Henry Gold, he founded Canadian Physicians for Aid and Relief in response to the extreme famine and critical health crisis faced by Ethiopian refugees in Sudan. Today, CPAR is one of Canada’s major non-governmental organizations providing integrated development in Africa.[2]

  • Reason for the change:

I believe his charitable work should be included on the page.

Thank you for your help,

APJohnM (talk) 18:29, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done soures only support part of the CPAR claim and none of the other content. Rusalkii (talk) 07:28, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ Cite error: The named reference ”bio2” was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
  2. ^ "Who We Are - CPAR". CPAR.com. Canadian Physicians for Aid and Relief. Retrieved April 2, 2024.

pseudo lines in opening paragraph

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Hi,

There seems to be someone out there that wants to personally attack by calling Simcha “pseudo” this and “pseudo” that. All his footnotes show that Simcha is involved in debates. These are unnecessary defamations and we want Simcha’s record to speak for itself without anyone interjecting insults in the opening lines.

Please revert back to the original opening or just leave those “pseudo” lines out.


Thanks, Nicole Naustin522 (talk) 17:24, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm quoting the reply that admin Ad Orientem left on their talk page regarding this matter, because you clearly don't seem to have made any effort to understand why your WP:SOCK edits were reverted and you were subsequently blocked: "We do not determine what is and is not true. We repeat what is reported in reliable sources. If there is a difference of opinion in those sources it is noted while give due weight to the consensus position. Please see WP:TRUTH. You may propose any changes you wish to make on the article talk page where they can be reviewed and discussed by other editors."
Displaying the opinions of scholars and historians in a WP biography cannot be considered a personal attack, it's simply WP:WEIGHT, and it just looks ridiculous to demand their censorship on this free online encyclopedia, because Wikipedia is NOT censored. Throughout the article it is repeated numerous times that Jacobovici is an acclaimed documentary filmmaker and director, but he's not a scholar of ancient Judaism, neither of early Christianity, nor of Biblical studies, unlike James H. Charlesworth and Eric H. Cline, which are far more reliable and trustworthy than Jacobovici regarding their evaluation of those alleged archaeological artifacts found in Talpiot. GenoV84 (talk) 13:04, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Struma

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Struma indeed never made it to Palestine and was sunk, at least according to our article MV Struma. I am not sure what the Romanian source says, but Naustin522 [1] tried to add this info and was reverted. I am not sure how this information can be rectified, but right now we have a factually incorrect sentence in the article. Ymblanter (talk) 22:21, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I just fixed it. GenoV84 (talk) 12:48, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

COI Request

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Hello editors,

I work for Simcha. I am not hiding this fact. I have admitted this in the past in my recent attempts to have some changes made to Simcha’s Wikipedia page. I am not trying to censor anyone’s comments. If someone wants to write that Simcha is a “pseudo-archaeologist” and “pseudo-historian” and have sources to back that up, then that’s fine. All I was trying to ask was that this line be moved to the section under “Controversies” rather than stating it in the opening paragraph because while some people believe this to be true, others do not. I have sources to show this. Please see my requested changes below.

I would like to change the first paragraph to the following:

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Simcha Jacobovici (/ˈsɪmxə jəˈkoʊboʊvɪtʃ/; born April 4, 1953) is a Canadian–Israeli journalist,[1][2] documentary filmmaker[2] and New York Times best-selling author.[3]

  • Reason for the change:

New sources to balance this statement out.

I don't believe that pseudo-archeologist and pseudo-historian should be included in the first paragraph as this is just a matter of opinion and not fact. While some people don't agree with the conclusions in some of Simcha's films/shows[4][5] as cited i.e., the late Amos Kloner and Eric Cline, others do agree.[6][7].

One of the books that is cited against Simcha “The Tomb of Jesus and His Family?: Exploring Ancient Jewish Tombs Near Jerusalem's Walls” edited by Professor James Charlesworth was the proceedings of a conference inspired by Simcha’s film! In its opening paragraph, Prof. Charlesworth says that the one topic for debate is “evaluating the Talpiot tomb in context” and the claim made “on the Discovery Channel that the tomb of Jesus, Mary Magdalene and their son had been recovered in Talpiot”[8]. The paper on “The Authenticity of the James Ossuary and its possible link to the ‘Jesus Family Tomb’” by Drs. Amnon Rosenfeld, Howard R. Feldman and Wolfgang E. Krumbein, concludes “that the James ossuary exhibits the same geo-chemical fingerprints as the Talpiot cave…adding this ossuary…to the cluster of names found in this tomb has a great statistical weight. It raises the calculated odds (Feuverger 2008) in a combined probability equation…from 1 in 1600 to a compelling level or certitude that it is really the historic holy family tomb”.[9] Other academics cited in the book spoke in a similar vain. Eldad Keynan concluded that Simcha’s thesis on the Talpiot tomb “cannot be totally dismissed as an option”[10] and Andrew V. Sills concluded that Simcha’s thesis “should be taken seriously and studied further”.[11] The list goes on.

It is unfair to cite two negative papers as if they are the objective truth, while ignoring the positive papers and the fact that the majority of scholars concluded that Simcha’s thesis needs further studies. User GenoV84 used WP:WEIGHT as a reason to keep the paragraph as is. I believe the above balances the weight evenly thus justifying its move.

Having said this the original paragraph, before it was changed on May 28th, was based on facts:

Simcha Jacobovici (/ˈsɪmxə jəˈkoʊboʊvɪtʃ/; born April 4, 1953) is a Canadian–Israeli journalist,[1][2] documentary filmmaker[2] and New York Times best-selling author.[3]

I think this paragraph should replace what is currently there.

I would move the pseudo-archeologist and pseudo-historian on the page under the "Controversies" section where I believe it is a better fit.

Thank you for your time,

Naustin522 (talk)

I'm quoting the reply that admin Ad Orientem left on their talk page regarding this matter, because you clearly don't seem to have made any effort to understand why your WP:SOCK edits were reverted and you were subsequently blocked: "We do not determine what is and is not true. We repeat what is reported in reliable sources. If there is a difference of opinion in those sources it is noted while give due weight to the consensus position. Please see WP:TRUTH. You may propose any changes you wish to make on the article talk page where they can be reviewed and discussed by other editors."
Displaying the opinions of scholars and historians in a WP biography cannot be considered a personal attack, it's simply WP:WEIGHT, and it just looks ridiculous to demand their censorship on this free online encyclopedia, because Wikipedia is NOT censored. Throughout the article it is repeated numerous times that Jacobovici is an acclaimed documentary filmmaker and director, but he's not a scholar of ancient Judaism, neither of early Christianity, nor of Biblical studies, unlike James H. Charlesworth and Eric H. Cline, which are far more reliable and trustworthy than Jacobovici regarding their evaluation of those alleged archaeological artifacts found in Talpiot.

Moreover, the readers can judge his credibility for themselves based on the rest of the article. Enough said. GenoV84 (talk) 19:51, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  1. ^ a b Tatham, Phoebe. "Simcha Jacobovici – Biography - HELLO!". Hello Magazine. Retrieved April 10, 2024. Cite error: The named reference "bio2" was defined multiple times with different content (see the help page).
  2. ^ a b c d "Gordon Sinclair Award – Simcha Jacobovici – Academy.ca". January 17, 2017.
  3. ^ a b "BEST SELLERS: March 25, 2007". The New York Times. March 25, 2017. Retrieved November 5, 2024. Cite error: The named reference "NYT" was defined multiple times with different content (see the help page).
  4. ^ Kloner, Amos; Gibson, Shimon (2013). "The Talpiot Tomb Reconsidered: The Archaeological Facts". In Charlesworth, James H. (ed.). The Tomb of Jesus and His Family?: Exploring Ancient Jewish Tombs Near Jerusalem's Walls. Grand Rapids, Michigan: Wm. B. Eerdmans. pp. 29–75. ISBN 978-0-8028-6745-2. LCCN 2013024836.
  5. ^ Cline, Eric H. (2009). "From Herod the Great to Jesus of Nazareth". Biblical Archaeology: A Very Short Introduction. New York: Oxford University Press. pp. 103–104. doi:10.1093/actrade/9780195342635.003.0010. ISBN 9780199365654. LCCN 2009006525.
  6. ^ "The Vindication Claim - Biblical Archaeology Society". Biblical Archaeology Society. January 16, 2008. Retrieved March 28, 2024.
  7. ^ "In-Depth Reading on the Talpiot "Jesus Family" Tomb". TaborBlog. February 20, 2017. Retrieved November 5, 2024.
  8. ^ Charlesworth, James H. (2013). "Preface: Contextualising the Search for Herod's and Jesus' Tomb". In Charlesworth, James H. (ed.). The Tomb of Jesus and His Family?: Exploring Ancient Jewish Tombs Near Jerusalem's Walls. Grand Rapids, Michigan: Wm. B. Eerdmans. pp. xviii. ISBN 978-0-8028-6745-2. LCCN 2013024836.
  9. ^ Rosenfeld, Amnon; Feldman, Howard R.; Krumbein, Wolfgang E. (2013). "The Authenticity of the James Ossuary and its possible link to the "Jesus Family Tomb"". In Charlesworth, James H. (ed.). The Tomb of Jesus and His Family?: Exploring Ancient Jewish Tombs Near Jerusalem's Walls. Grand Rapids, Michigan: Wm. B. Eerdmans. p. 347. ISBN 978-0-8028-6745-2. LCCN 2013024836.
  10. ^ Keynan, Eldad (2013). "The Holy Sepulcher, Court Tombs, and Talpiot Tomb in Light of Jewish Contemporary Law". In Charlesworth, James H. (ed.). The Tomb of Jesus and His Family?: Exploring Ancient Jewish Tombs Near Jerusalem's Walls. Grand Rapids, Michigan: Wm. B. Eerdmans. p. 433. ISBN 978-0-8028-6745-2. LCCN 2013024836.
  11. ^ Sills, Andrew V. (2013). "The Apostles and Brothers of Jesus". In Charlesworth, James H. (ed.). The Tomb of Jesus and His Family?: Exploring Ancient Jewish Tombs Near Jerusalem's Walls. Grand Rapids, Michigan: Wm. B. Eerdmans. p. 443. ISBN 978-0-8028-6745-2. LCCN 2013024836.
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