Talk:Selton Hill ambush

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The article says an Orangeman and a double agent in the IRA were killed. Are they not casualties? And who is this 'Leavy' person quoted? He is not mentioned otherwise so shouild be excised.--Fynire (talk) 12:58, 20 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The Orangeman (who informed the RIC of IRA activity) was not killed during the battle, he was executed by the IRA sometime later. The info provided by Leavy is from a 1955 edition of The Kerryman and is cited here. However I'm not sure which 'Leavy' is being referred to. ~Asarlaí 13:23, 20 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Both were plainly casualties of the ambush like someone dying of their wounds a month later would also be. If the two killed by the IRA are not included as casualties this article is just memorialising the IRA dead.--Fynire (talk) 09:28, 21 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

And there is something wrong with that? Sarah777 (talk) 02:32, 28 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Memorialising is not for Wikipedia. I don't think numbering or naming the dead is but blatant pro-militaristic propaganda has to be out of order.

And what happened to the earlier refernce to a double agent in the IRA also being taken out - "In a 1955 edition of The Kerryman, Leavy says six were killed and that they were betrayed by two of their compatriots.^[1] He does say that that one was promptly executed by the IRA"--Fynire (talk) 15:49, 1 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The article says the man 'executed' as an informer was an Orangeman (a term used here pejoratively) therefore to say a Protestant was killed is perfectly accurate as an Orangeman is ipso facto a Protestant. The term 'informer' is also totally inappropriate for an Orangeman or Protestant in these circumstances. Dehumanising the man with that term alone is quite wrong. --Fynire (talk) 16:10, 4 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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