Talk:Seathwaite Fell

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Graphite Mine

I've cut the paragraph on the graphite mine because it was NOT situated on Seathwaite Fell, it was situated on Grey Knotts two kilometres to the north and have put details of the mine in this article. All mining and guidebooks confirm this. Regards Mick Knapton 09:54, 1 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The articles on Graphite and Pencil mention Seathwaite. The former article links to this one, and the latter cites a caption from an American University's Geology Department. One of the references at the Grey Knotts article cites a book: Tyler, Ian (1995). Seathwaite Wad and the Mines of the Borrowdale Valley. Blue Rock Publications. p. 220. ISBN 0952302810. (a volume I have not been able to locate myself). It appears that someone else has placed a new sentence about the graphite deposit onto this article, although with a "citation needed" tag. I would prefer to see the correct location cited by the Graphite and the Pencil articles and I have no preference between Seathwaite Fell or Grey Knotts. Can this question be answered authoritatively? Or, should more general/vague terms like "Borrowdale Valley" or "Cumbria area" be used instead of a specific fell? Thanks. 67.86.73.252 (talk) 03:29, 19 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hiya I wrote the Grey Knotts article originally and the book A Pictorial Guide to the Lakeland Fells, Western Fells by Alfred Wainwright puts the mine on Grey Knotts on Newhouse Gill which drains east down to the hamlet of Seathwaite. This web site Old Cumbria Gazetteer also puts the Borrowdale Graphite Mine on Grey Knotts. Regards Mick Knapton (talk) 15:32, 19 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for explaining the geography. The references you cite seem appropriately authoritative and it appears that Seathwaite hamlet is the most likely place where the early graphite miners would have lived, hence the name Seathwaite in the Ian Tyler book title is apparently not trying to refer to Seathwaite Fell but to the hamlet.

I now note the following problem that may have led to this confusion. I've noticed that the disambiguation page at Seathwaite has a link to "Seathwaite, Borrowdale, a hamlet" but if you follow the link you are forced by a redirect to this Seathwaite Fell article. It seems that deleting the redirect and writing a Seathwaite, Allerdale stub article for the hamlet should be done (see below). With a change like that the Graphite and Pencil articles could then link to Seathwaite, Allerdale instead of to Seathwaite Fell. As a sixteenth century seat of graphite mining/pencil making I would think that Seathwaite, Allerdale is a hamlet worthy of note and worthy of having its own wikipedia article.

By the way, the article at Borrowdale mentions the graphite mine with the following sentence:

Some time prior to 1565 (some sources say as early as 1500), an enormous deposit of graphite was discovered at the site of Seathwaite Fell near Borrowdale. The locals found that it was very useful for marking sheep

So it too needs correction. 67.86.73.252 (talk) 02:43, 20 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This article

... was just shown on Triple J's radio show on ABC TV. Hopefully it won't get vandalised with references to pencils. - Tbsdy lives (talk) 13:06, 22 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Proposals for starting new hamlet (done) and village (done) articles

I suspect that the absence of an article about the Seathwaite hamlet has led other article authors to link (erroneosuly) to this article. In order to provide an article more appropriate to link to I think the following two might be helpful. Could someone more familiar with English geography please look these over and comment on them before I submit them to WP:AFC? Thak you. The proposed new article names are taken from the Seathwaite disambiguation page:

From the right hand map shown at the List of Parliamentary constituencies in Cumbria article I think that the hamlet will lie within the Copeland (UK Parliament constituency) after the United Kingdom general election, 2009/10 and I have added that to the Infbox for the proposed hamlet article. The next step in preparing these articles may be to request a deletion of the redirect. 67.86.73.252 (talk) 23:26, 20 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Please discuss and improve the new Seathwaite, Allerdale article at that article and not on this article about the nearby Fell. This remaining proposal for the village article has not yet been submitted (but will be soon): 67.86.73.252 (talk) 14:46, 24 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Please discuss and improve the new Seathwaite, South Lakeland article at that article and not here. I have removed the proposals from this Talk page so as to reduce geographic coordinate confusion. 67.86.73.252 (talk) 12:34, 31 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

proposals removed

Looks fine to me, I think it is wrong that Seathwaite, Borrowdale redirects to Seathwaite Fell, So I would say definately change it (in my opinion). Regards Mick Knapton (talk) 05:36, 23 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for checking these proposals. I have started the discussion over at WP:RFD and I have posted a note at User:Yohan euan o4/Indian Wells (who set up the redirect in January 2008). 67.86.73.252 (talk) 20:50, 23 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Apparently I was mistaken in thinking that the redirect had to be deleted before the creation of the new Seathwaite, Allerdale article. In fact the history for the page lists Yohan euan o4's original redirect, which is nice I think. I'll propose the village article soon then remove it from this Fell discussion page after that. 67.86.73.252 (talk) 14:46, 24 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]