Talk:Polish speculative fiction

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Konrad Walewski. "Poland". The Encyclopedia of Science Fiction.
Krzysztof Sokołowski (1997). "Poland". Encyclopedia of Fantasy (1997).

A fact from Polish speculative fiction appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 18 June 2006. The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that science fiction and fantasy in Poland traces its origins to the Polish Enlightenment, and that many of its writers are translated into foreign languages—with the notable exception of English?

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On 1 September 2024, it was proposed that this article be moved from Science fiction and fantasy in Poland to Polish speculative fiction. The result of the discussion was moved.

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I wonder if it would be a good idea to rename this article to Science fiction and fantasy in Poland, so we can write about Sapkowski, Kres and others. Comments? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus ^Talk 17:56, 14 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'm thinking of adding the pre-history of sf in Poland. Mikołaj Doświadczyński is sf as well... //Halibu tt 19:30, 15 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

And I read somewhere that Mickiewicz wrote a Verne-like novel too, fragments of which where published I think in Nowa(?) Fantastyka. But I'd have to google for some confirmation (I can be remembering an April Fool's joke, after all). As for M.D., I am not sure if he classifies: the 'old books' had lots of elements of fantasy, but we don't classify Homer's wokrs as fantasy, do we?--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus ^Talk 19:50, 15 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Update: Mickiewicz work is called „Historia Przyszłości”. See [1]. Or "Wizje przyszłości": [2]. Dukaj mentions it here, so it would appear it is not a joke.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus ^Talk 19:55, 15 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Alternative history novels dealing with Poland

Could someone list some books for me that deal with alternative histories and Poland? Such as... because of Czochralski, growing large crystals of metal and semi-conductors was found out much earlier and leads to Poland being the most electronically advanced nation on Earth. Televisions, computers, telephones, robots, microwave ovens and quartz watches all by the year 1925. Anything along those lines?

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Search Uchronia for mentions of Poland. This is one of my hobbies, and I can tell you there are not many books dealing with alt hist and Poland - but there are a few. The uchronia list is not complete. Are you interested with books by Polish authors, with Poland being a pivotal divergence point, action being set significantly in Poland or just mentioning Poland a little? Also, please consider registering.--_{Piot Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk} 04:00, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

There's Leo Frankowski's English (language) time-travel series about Conrad Stargard, an idealistic young Polish engineer who gets cast back to 13th-century Poland and realizes he only has a few years to make Poland technologically-advanced enough to resist the coming onslaught of the Mongols. --Orange Mike 04:07, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for reminding me of that, I need to read it finally. Few other titles I'd throw: Xavras Wyżryn and some short stories of Jacek Dukaj, Królowa Joanna d'Arc of Konrad T. Lewandowski, Krzyżacki Poker of Dariusz Spychalski, some recent stuff by Andrzej Pilipiuk (Operacja Dzień Wskrzeszenia, and short stories (Szansa, Atomowa ruletka)... the only downside to those is you have to read Polish :) --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk} 04:41, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 1 September 2024

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Reading Beans 07:56, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Science fiction and fantasy in Poland → Polish speculative fiction – See my comments at Talk:Russian_science_fiction_and_fantasy#Requested_move_1_September_2024 and Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Science_Fiction#I_will_be_proposing_renaming_Fooian_science_fiction_and_fantasy_articles_into_Fooian_speculative_fiction, but TL;DR this article is about Polish 'fantastyka', and fantastyka is speculative fiction. It does not make much sense to arbitrary group sf and fantasy and exclude genres like horror, alternative history, superhero fiction, etc. PS. Side-note - this article also has a bad interwiki, see pl:Dyskusja_wikiprojektu:Fantastyka#Brakuje_ważnego_hasła:_fantastyka_w_Polsce (Polish version of speculative fiction in Poland, i.e. fantastyka w Polsce, needs to be written, right now this article is connected to Polish article on science fiction in Poland). After move, this article can become the parent article for Category:Polish speculative fiction. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 09:53, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Any reason why you prefer "Polish speculative fiction" over "Speculative fiction in Poland"? -- asilvering (talk) 19:49, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Asilvering Just because it is the name of the relevant category? See Category:Polish speculative fiction and similar. Also, this common for similar articles, see Japanese science fiction, French science fiction, and others (see list in Template:Science fiction or regional lists at the bottom of individual articles I've recently added; I've had to create a bunch of redirets from sf in... to Fooian sf to have the latter template work). _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 03:07, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Come to think of it, they do imply two slightly different things. "Polish SF", at least to me, would mean simply SF written in Polish/Poland/by Polish people. Whereas "SF in Poland" is broader. I think it's probably better for the article to be SF in Poland (the category being Polish SF makes perfect sense though). -- asilvering (talk) 03:52, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Asilvering I am not sure I see much of a difference in scope. Trying to apply geographical criteria would be a pointless pain (ex. we wouldn't want to exclude literature written by people in Kresy during pre-war era, and what's the point of even discussing border changes in such a context?). Trying to discuss works by non-Polish authors set in Poland might be fun, but I think for most countries, including Poland, this is not covered by RS, and for now we have to do with Category:Works set in Poland, which can one day include a subcategory for sf works set in there. Do let me know if I am missing some other aspects; note also we have a dozen and half of articles following Fooian sf naming format and pretty much no exception. I am just proposing to rename a few articles that are a bit broader (due to Slavic contept of fantastika) accordingly. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 01:47, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.