Talk:Ravish Malhotra/GA1
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Reviewer: Mike Christie (talk · contribs) 18:49, 27 August 2022 (UTC)
I'll review this. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 18:49, 27 August 2022 (UTC)
Images both suitably tagged. I had to go hunting for a Wayback Machine copy of the first one; you might add an archive link to that image but it's not required for GA.
- What makes the following reliable sources?
- spacefacts.de
teachingbanyan.com- thebetterindia.com
I've copyedited the few prose issues I ran into. Just the source questions above. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 19:18, 27 August 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks Mike Christie. The Better India is a Bangalore based digital-first news portal. Seems to be reasonably good and no concerns in my view on content from the site. Teaching Banyan is an edutech portal focused on the India market. Re: Spacefacts.de this seems to be German portal focused on hosting space-travel reports and hosts a biography database. Content stylization looks web 1.0 admittedly, but seems to be a clean database. Ktin (talk) 20:11, 27 August 2022 (UTC)
- For Better India, can you point me at a page showing there's some sort of editorial control? I agree it looked OK, but I couldn't find anything about it -- most such sites have an about page or a listing of editors. For the other two, yes that's what they look like to me too, but that doesn't make them reliable by our standards. For spacefacts.de if you can show it's treated as a reliable source by other groups -- e.g. does the New York Times or the BBC treat it as reliable -- then that would be helpful. As it stands I'm concerned it's a one-man operation, and without some supporting evidence I don't think we can use it. Maybe someone at WP:SPF could help? For Teaching Banyan can you find anything on their website that would help? A teaching resource with no specific subject matter expertise, with a quiz page, is not a great source. The author of the page is a statistics grad, which is not related to the topic. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 20:47, 27 August 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks Mike. For Spacefacts.de I find sites like Space.com which we typically use for Space related newsitems or sites like Brittanica reference Spacefacts.de e.g. here or here specifically for biographies. For Better India our own article on the news site has some more details included a retracted view from BBC. I agree with your assessment on Teaching Banyan. Thanks. Ktin (talk) 21:43, 27 August 2022 (UTC)
- For spacefacts.de I can't see anything on those pages that mentions spacefacts.de -- am I missing something? Regardless, I'm going to post at WT:SPF and I expect to get some useful feedback there. For Better India, I am alarmed by the line in our article that 80% of their content is sponsored; I wouldn't think that would make them very reliable. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 22:11, 27 August 2022 (UTC)
- Hi Mike, I think you might have read the 80% statement wrong. It says 80% of their revenues (not 80% of content) is from sponsored stories. That is not uncommon for Digital-first news portals. In fact I see that The Better India is doing a much better job than some of the other portals in labeling their sponsored stories. Scroll down the homepage and see the section on brand-campaigns. There is also a separate section for these brand campaigns e.g. here. Ktin (talk) 22:39, 27 August 2022 (UTC)
- I did misread that; thanks for the pointer. Out of time tonight; will take another look, probably tomorrow. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 22:56, 27 August 2022 (UTC)
- Sounds good. Thanks again. Ktin (talk) 23:05, 27 August 2022 (UTC)
- I did misread that; thanks for the pointer. Out of time tonight; will take another look, probably tomorrow. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 22:56, 27 August 2022 (UTC)
- Hi Mike, I think you might have read the 80% statement wrong. It says 80% of their revenues (not 80% of content) is from sponsored stories. That is not uncommon for Digital-first news portals. In fact I see that The Better India is doing a much better job than some of the other portals in labeling their sponsored stories. Scroll down the homepage and see the section on brand-campaigns. There is also a separate section for these brand campaigns e.g. here. Ktin (talk) 22:39, 27 August 2022 (UTC)
- For spacefacts.de I can't see anything on those pages that mentions spacefacts.de -- am I missing something? Regardless, I'm going to post at WT:SPF and I expect to get some useful feedback there. For Better India, I am alarmed by the line in our article that 80% of their content is sponsored; I wouldn't think that would make them very reliable. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 22:11, 27 August 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks Mike. For Spacefacts.de I find sites like Space.com which we typically use for Space related newsitems or sites like Brittanica reference Spacefacts.de e.g. here or here specifically for biographies. For Better India our own article on the news site has some more details included a retracted view from BBC. I agree with your assessment on Teaching Banyan. Thanks. Ktin (talk) 21:43, 27 August 2022 (UTC)
- For Better India, can you point me at a page showing there's some sort of editorial control? I agree it looked OK, but I couldn't find anything about it -- most such sites have an about page or a listing of editors. For the other two, yes that's what they look like to me too, but that doesn't make them reliable by our standards. For spacefacts.de if you can show it's treated as a reliable source by other groups -- e.g. does the New York Times or the BBC treat it as reliable -- then that would be helpful. As it stands I'm concerned it's a one-man operation, and without some supporting evidence I don't think we can use it. Maybe someone at WP:SPF could help? For Teaching Banyan can you find anything on their website that would help? A teaching resource with no specific subject matter expertise, with a quiz page, is not a great source. The author of the page is a statistics grad, which is not related to the topic. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 20:47, 27 August 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks Mike Christie. The Better India is a Bangalore based digital-first news portal. Seems to be reasonably good and no concerns in my view on content from the site. Teaching Banyan is an edutech portal focused on the India market. Re: Spacefacts.de this seems to be German portal focused on hosting space-travel reports and hosts a biography database. Content stylization looks web 1.0 admittedly, but seems to be a clean database. Ktin (talk) 20:11, 27 August 2022 (UTC)
The WT:SPF post response was a link to prior discussions which say spacefacts.de is not reliable, and I see you're in the process of removing it -- one more to go plus an external link. I'll strike that bullet when those disappear. For the Better India source I'm still not seeing any way to be sure that the post by Jovita Aranha is an edited post in a news/magazine environment rather than a paid placement. I looked at her author page which doesn't make it clear that she's part of a reporting team. Also, the page URL includes only her first name which implies the staff is very small. However, I see that the article itself refers to The Quint, which you also cite -- can you cite that source instead for any of this material? Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 12:55, 28 August 2022 (UTC)
- Managed to find alternate sources for everything covered by Spacefacts.de except for the family bit (wife's name + number of chilfren). It is either Spacefacts.de or that Banyan site, unfortunately. Will give it some more search. It is a shame that Spacefacts.de turned negative because it seems like they are being referenced by quite a few folks including Brittanica. I will continue to search for alternate sources for wife's name and number of children. Ktin (talk) 16:58, 28 August 2022 (UTC)
- Yes, it would be a pity to lose that information -- good luck on finding other sources; I'm happy to keep this open while you look. And re Better India, if you can find that information in The Quint as well I think we'll be done here. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 19:32, 28 August 2022 (UTC)
- Done, I think. Found a couple of sources for wife and number of children. So we should be good there. What's your final guidance on Better India. My two cents is that we can see where they are going with explicit brand sponsored content and this one does not seem to be that. Thoughts? Ktin (talk) 22:35, 28 August 2022 (UTC)
- Ah good guidance re: The Quint. I must have been tired -- that has the source for the eyesight point and also for the 1971 war. With that I think we are good to remove Better India. Ktin (talk) 22:40, 28 August 2022 (UTC)
- Nice work! Well done on finding replacement sources; the new sources look good. Passing! Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 00:11, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
- Ah good guidance re: The Quint. I must have been tired -- that has the source for the eyesight point and also for the 1971 war. With that I think we are good to remove Better India. Ktin (talk) 22:40, 28 August 2022 (UTC)
- Done, I think. Found a couple of sources for wife and number of children. So we should be good there. What's your final guidance on Better India. My two cents is that we can see where they are going with explicit brand sponsored content and this one does not seem to be that. Thoughts? Ktin (talk) 22:35, 28 August 2022 (UTC)
- Yes, it would be a pity to lose that information -- good luck on finding other sources; I'm happy to keep this open while you look. And re Better India, if you can find that information in The Quint as well I think we'll be done here. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 19:32, 28 August 2022 (UTC)