Talk:Rape in Sweden

Immigration and Rape: Let's discuss the sources in detail

Because there seems some disagreement about the issues of immigration and rape I will discuss some details so that we may be in agreement about the numbers as we edit.

First of all, the latest source available is the 2005 BRA report. The composition of that study is 15 to 51-year-olds from the years 1997 to 2001 (pg. 8) - with 74.5% being individuals born in Sweden to two Swedish-born parents (From here on I will say, "Swedes"), 12.5% being individuals born in Sweden to at least one foreign-born parent (From here on I will say "Half-Swedes"), and 13% being individuals born abroad (From here on I will say, "Foreigners") (Table 2. pg. 27). What we should note is that there is no data on individuals born to two foreign-born parents. The authors of the study state that it is not possible to divide this group from the "only one Swedish-born parent" group.

For the discussion of rape we can turn to table 11 of page 41. This table reports the proportion of individuals who have been suspected of a crime from each of the groups mentioned previously. We here find that for rape and attempted rape (From here on I will say, "Rape") 0.04% of "Swedes" have been suspected of this crime, 0.08% of "Half-Swedes" have been suspected of this crime, and 0.22% of "Foreigners" have been suspected of this crime.

Thus the rate of suspicion of "Rape" among "Foreigners" is 5.5 times (0.22/0.04) greater than that of "Swedes".

Unfortunately, from these numbers we cannot determine the proportion of all rape conviction/arrests/charges that went to each respective group. Although we know the proportion of each group that has been suspected of "Rape" this does not take into account the possibility of multiple offences. But if we make an assumption that individuals of each group who were suspected of "Rape" were done so the same number of times then we can estimate the proportion of "Rape" charges that went to each group. Thus, multiplying each group's proportion of suspects by their absolute size in this study gives us the absolute amount of those suspected of "Rape" for each group. With this we then divide each group's total by the overall total we find that "Swedes" made up 43.5% of "Rape" suspects, "Half-Swedes" made up 14.6% of "Rape" suspects, and "Foreigners" made up 42% of "Rape" suspects.

Another thing that should be noted is that nowhere in the study did I find the authors mentioning that the composition of this study is representative of Sweden's population from 1997 to 2001. Thus it might not be. Regardless, the proportion of the Swedish population that was born abroad in 2000 (the earliest year for with this data is available) was 11.2% (which is smaller than the 13% reported in the study). So if anything, the proportion of "Rape" suspects that are "Foreigners" is larger than my estimate.

MartinAlexander1 (talk) 21:37, 9 January 2016 (UTC)

You are right that the rate is 5.5x greater, but that is a sensationalist way of stating it. Why not give both numbers, rather than simply stating how much greater one is than the other? Say something to the effect of "The latest published report that indicates the association between immigrants and rape was published in 2005, and revealed that from 1997 to 2001, 0.22% of foreign-borne individuals were charged with rape, which is a rate 5.5x greater than the 0.04% of individuals born in Sweden to two Swedish parents who are charged with rape." Also consider that due to the population difference, the total number of foreign-borne individuals suspected of sex crimes is far lower than the total number of Swedes suspected of sex crimes.

The second part of that statement "and that foreign born individuals from all regions, apart from East Asia, committed sexual assaults at rates up to 5.3 times greater than that of individuals born in Sweden to two Swedish parents." doesn't actually refer to rape, but rather the total percentage of registered crimes. This part should be removed.

We should also update the citation for the source, as the citation refers to page 34-36, which has no mention of rape, and page 40 has nothing to do with rape either.

Littlejohn657 (talk) 07:44, 9 June 2016 (UTC)

Let's give a fuller picture of what's been said on the issue

There is a discussion around the issue of rape in Sweden, and key parts of that discussion are being left out. The allegations are that the huge increase in immigrants from the Middle East and Africa has caused the huge increase of rape in Sweden. This article is mostly dedicated to finding other ways to explain the huge increase in rape rates, but doesn't mention the allegation it's trying to disprove. It is an article that spends 80% of its time arguing one side of a debate without even mentioning the existence of the other.

It's fairly absurd to have an article whose sources were largely written for the purpose of defusing a specific allegation not even mention what the original allegation was.

The existence of this allegation needs to be mentioned in the article. Here are some facts to mention along with it:

• The Swedish government doesn't release statistics on the ethnicity or immigrant history of rapists.
• Sexual violence in Finland mentions a sourced study that reveals that African/ME immigrants to Finland rape at a rate 17x higher than the native population. Finland is a very similar country to Sweden. Since this fact is sourced in Sexual violence in Finland, in the absence of government statistics, it's worth a mention in this article which is largely dedicated to trying to explain why Sweden is the rape capital of Europe.
• In Denmark, by official statistics, ME immigrants are vastly over-represented among rapists, a country very similar to Sweden in laws and culture: http://www.bt.dk/danmark/hveranden-voldtaegtsdoemt-er-udlaending
• The change in rape defintions happened in 2005; rape continues to rise year by year, ten years later. For example, it went up 11% just last year (source: http://bra.se/bra/nytt-fran-bra/arkiv/press/2015-03-31-slutlig-brottsstatistik-2014.html)

I'm sorry I don't have time to chase down every source and make some ironclad case of exactly what should be written and to what course. I'm here to start the process towards making this article reflect a full view on the issue. Simply not mentioning that this allegation exists is failing to represent a huge and sourced aspect to the issue of rape in Sweden. Let the discussion begin.107.179.240.80 (talk) 05:09, 27 May 2015 (UTC)

It's has often been claimed by the Sweden Democrats -- and by the far-right both domestically and abroad -- that the increase in reported rape in Sweden is largely caused by immigration from MENA countries, but there seems to be a broad academic consensus that it's mostly caused by changes in legislation, and the seemingly ever-expanding definition of rape. (Supported by the fact that the number of reports on sexual coercion and exploitation decreased in the years following 2005, for example, which is mentioned in the latest yearly report on crime from Brå, and a number of other sources cited in this article.) Unfortunately, there isn't any recent study on offenders demographics. The last study was made in 2005, based on crime statistics from the late nineties, making it almost irrelevant at this point in time. I guess all of this could still be included in the article, but it hasn't been a priority of mine. / Gavleson (talk) 10:42, 27 May 2015 (UTC)

I am very glad you started this subject. I was amazed that there is no mention of Immigrant Muslim, Africans in this article. It Is hard to find Swedish press reports about this. Swedish hate speech laws give prison sentences for telling the truth: "Swedish Judge On Criticism Of Muslim Rape Wave: “Whether Or Not A Pronouncement Is True ‘Has No Bearing On The Case.'”" Because of political correctness, Sweden does not mention race, religion, immigration status of criminals. Often they actively hide it or lie about it and call Somali rapists Swedish . The media go as far as to white-pixel felon's faces . One needs to find government statistics from Norway — Preceding unsigned comment added by Curious99 (talk • contribs) 05:53, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

I expanded a bit on the recently added section on immigration. The sources for the claim that it's a widespread belief outside of the Sweden Democrats and related movements doesn't seem to support that claim. The claim that muslim gangs engage in gang rape as a rite of passage held two sources, with one being a literary review that in turn had three sources, one of which was the other one listed as reference on this page. None of these sources back relate specifically to Sweden, and can't be considered evidence that this is a widespread practice in Sweden in particular. Since the section attempts to explain the higher incidence in Sweden, I don't believe it's relevant. The key source for this data is the BRÅ study, which partly supports the claim, although it spends a considerable amount of time arguing against it. I tried to stay objective in terms of what the data does support. To be clear, my own bias is pro-migration, but I don't want to start an edit war. Aderyn (talk) 09:59, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

The sources that you removed do claim that many Swedes hate immigrants for the (presumed) criminality, while Sweden Democrats focus these voices:

The author [...] was shocked by the anti-foreigner climate she encountered. [...] she uncovered a potent mix of Islamophobia and anti-foreigner hate [...]

This claim needs sourcing for proving their popularity, otherwise it will be (rightly) challenged and removed. I suggest using these: Sweden's counter-extremism model ..., The Making of Anti-Muslim Protest: Grassroots Activism in the English as better RS then. Thanks. Zezen (talk) 11:23, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

Swedish sources are hard to gather

I find it comfortable to add that Sweden has never been a subject of discussion, it's also obvious that majority of people or even 999/1000 people around the world would fail to find Sweden on a map. So how we can certainly expect for 100% exact information? I agree that even wrong information can be prevalent on internet, but the added sources, such as 'beforeitsnews.com', 'frontpagemag.com', they can't be certainly rejected either, but then it's also like what they are linking, since many of there reports are overwhelmingly second hand. Maybe it may take a while to confirm whether these reports are true or not. OccultZone (talk) 05:14, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

I did a little editing. As a Swede, it's a bit uncomfortable how easily abused English Wikipedia is - there was a source from a racist website (Fria Tider) with spurious numbers and noone had added the fact that the Swedish legal definition of rape has expanded. I know people have better things to do, but I dislike net-savvy racists spouting their myths on English wikipedia. So I fixed a little. Don't really have the time or energy to go after all the sources, but www.scb.se (the Swedish Statistical Bureau) and www.riksdagen.se are good places to start. Kind regards. 23:16, 16 February 2014. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.254.160.240 (talk)

If there is no such thing as immigrant over-representation among the rape perpetrators, then the question arises, why Swedish PC government fails to present data debunking this evil 'racist' myth? I wonder why?
I had to remove today editorializing that the 'single largest reason for the increased number of rapes in Sweden is due to Swedish laws widening the legal definition of rape'. You have to find sources explicitly telling so, otherwise it's OR. To be honest I haven't found any reliable English language sources apart from an article in the conservative FrontPage Magazine [1], where it is said that rape is 'concentrated' in Muslim inhabited areas, such as Stockholm, one third immigrant. The article incidentally links to a blog that claims ″5% Muslim Pop commit nearly 77.6% of all rape crimes″ [2]. However, we probably won't find any truly good sources for that, because how can you honestly study a topic where the politics dictates what conclusions you are allowed to make beforehand. Lokalkosmopolit (talk) 10:24, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

You don't have to use English sources for this article. If you have Swedish sources that explain why the number of rapes in Sweden have so greatly increased, please use them. Cla68 (talk) 00:23, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

For anyone reading the above comment, just as a matter of interest: Lokalkosmopolit was blocked from editing for "tendentious editing and treating Wikipedia as an ideological battleground", based on his behaviour on articles unrelated to this one, after being warned several times. (Something I wasn't involved in.) This article has since expanded greatly, and sources have been added, supporting the assertion that a large number of the increase in reported rape can in fact be attributed to changes in legislation. / Gavleson (talk) 02:14, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

Rape but not rape

explanation attempts about this case looks so biased,and like wrote just for justify the highest rank of rape among other countries. Even in some phrases sounds like "rape in sweden is not as rape in other countries" or "yes there is rape in sweeden but there is rape in other countries also" i expected any satisfying explanations which wrote with "Neutral point of view" but abviously there isn't --Kamuran Ötükenli (talk) 10:51, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

I agree that the section on "False accusations" may not be that well written, but it is certainly relevant to the article. As for your comments on NPOV issues, I don't agree. A lot of people seem to have preconceived notions about this subject, based on widespread speculation, hyperbole and misinformation, but most everything in this article is well sourced; either from relevant scientific journals, primary sources, relevant commentary from legal experts, or other articles from reputable sources, dealing directly with the issue at hand. Furthermore, an effort has been made to present this as neutral as possible. I'm guessing you expected something else, and was simply disappointed by the facts presented in the article... or are we not supposed to give explanations, when relevant? Gavleson (talk) 11:29, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

Sorry but convictions and opinions about swedish high rank rapings are not based on speculations hyperbole and misinformation,no its not true. There is tons of statistics and reports of official organisations and institutions which confirms that high rank problem in sweden. Actually there is high rank not only for rape or sexual violence,but anyway this article need to editingKamuran Ötükenli (talk) 13:59, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

It's stated several times in the article that the number of reported rape in Sweden is among the highest, and all relevant statistics have been included. What you and others seem to fail to grasp is that this doesn't necessary mean the actual prevalence of rape is higher in Sweden than in any other country. Victim studies have in fact shown this not to be true, which is also mentioned in the article. I can't help you if you have a problem with this, and I certainly won't remove that information either. Gavleson (talk) 14:09, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

Take it personally and overreacting and blaming others doesn't help to explain and not changing the raping abusing violence against women problem in sweden.Kamuran Ötükenli (talk) 05:49, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

Gavleson, you say, "I agree that the section on "False accusations" may not be that well written, but it is certainly relevant to the article." Yes, it is badly written. And while I agree that the section might be relevant in principle, the section is currently not in any kind of shape to justify its inclusion. It consists of three examples, over the past nine years, of rape accusations being deemed unfounded. So what? Do murder-related articles feature sections on false accusations of murder? Grand theft? Arson? Why this article? What is this section contributing to a better understanding of the topic? For the section to remain, it needs to carry its weight, perhaps offering some more broadly applicable statistics, or at very least explaining its relevance to Sweden's definition of rape, or the over-reporting controversy, etc. -- not just saying, "Hey, um, sometimes girls say it's rape and it's not, here's proof," which is exactly what it sounds like right now. The section needs to either be shaped up soon or deleted. Dalfet (talk) 01:13, 12 April 2016 (UTC)

WP:UNDUE

I believe this article lends WP:UNDUE weight to the specific subject of how rape in Sweden is overreported or exaggerated compared to the rest of Europe. I'd say that most of the article relates to this, and that the article as it is now focuses more on how it's overreported than the statistics themselves. Pishcal — ♣ 06:36, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

If a small or minority view or an unimportant aspect were in fact given undue weight you'd have a case, but that's not what's going on here. If you actually took some time to study the subject and the referenced sources, it becomes pretty clear that it's not a case of undue weight, but an accurate representation of what's been written on the subject in various reliable sources, such as newspaper articles, reputable books and scientific journals. The sentence that you just removed is pretty much echoed in several reports written by a criminologists, by the Swedish Council for Crime Prevention, and in articles punished by reputable news organisations. Feel free to add contradicting statements if you can find it -- using equally reliable sources -- but citing WP:UNDUE and then removing meaningful information extremely valid to the subject is unwarranted. / Gavleson (talk) 12:31, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

Why are you torturing your mind? Say that Putin is to blame for all and that Sweden must buy some flying geese (Fail-35) in order to feel safer from a possible Russian future attack. Georgeous (talk) 06:11, 20 February 2017 (UTC)

Sources

This may or may not be a reliable source, but it links to other sources which may be useful for the article. Cla68 (talk) 23:47, 30 November 2015 (UTC)

→→→→Gatestone Institute is a far-right think tank known for publishing anti-Muslim articles. 79.140.115.57 (talk) 13:45, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

Errors

The second paragraph contains the following sentence with two major errors:

"In 2015 Sweden opened its first emergency center designed specifically to help male victims of rape and molestation."

The facility in question is the emergency sexual assault clinic of http://www.sodersjukhuset.se ("Stockholm South General Hospital"). This clinic was not opened in 2015 and it was not designed for men, but for women. This was widely and incorrectly misreported by many news sources as "Sweden opens world's first male rape victim clinic" leading to wide-scale confusion which has seeped into this article.

Given the latest report on the matter at http://www.politico.eu/article/sweden-plays-politics-with-rape-clinic-men-assaulted, I've removed the blurb regarding the clinic. It's inaccurate to say that it's a new clinic and the statistics in the article at http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/sweden-just-opened-an-emergency-centre-for-male-rape-victims-a6697641.html are all American, not Swedish. Ryan8374 (talk) 09:51, 28 December 2015 (UTC)

The Sweden Rape Capital Myth

It seems that many racists tend to say that immigrants cause higher rape statistics or immigrants are more likely to commit rape that the The Swedish Council for Crime Prevention (BRÅ) has debunked.

Like the sub-section "Immigrants" which sources to a right-wing wordpress blog "https://ofpsychandsociety.wordpress.com/2015/09/24/immigration-and-crime-in-scandinavia/" and a "paper" that does not exist in any credible academic journal in my university library, even when I use Google Scholar search, and it seems to be from some pseudo-academic journal which does not exist anywhere else but there. It seems to me a racist wrote that section and used some very shady sources.

For example, on the myth of immigrants being more likely to commit "rape"

Let us look at crimes generally before moving on to the sex crimes category. Compared with a person born in Sweden with two Swedish parents, those who are born abroad are 2.5 times overrepresented in all criminal categories (p. 34). When you control for confounders, such as legal sex, age, income and education, this drops to 2.1 (p. 40). For comparison (p. 35), the figure for men is 3.5, for people with no high-school education it is 5.7, for people with an income of less than 4800 USD per year it is 5.3 and for people on welfare it is 6.1.

However, if you look at % of offenders (p. 36), people with both parents born in Sweden constitute 60% of all criminals, and about 26% of criminals are born outside the country. About 5% of all offenders are from Nordic countries besides Sweden and 2.8% from Africa and 3.4% from western Asia. So the typical criminal is not an immigrant and only a small fraction of all criminals are from Africa or western Asia.

Moving on to rape and attempted rape, about 0.04% of people born in Sweden with both parents born in Sweden have ever been suspected for those crimes. For those born abroad, that figure is 0.22% (p. 41). Crunching the numbers (with the group sizes given in the report) gives 0.0004*3273856 = 1309 for people with two parents born in Swedish and 0.0022*574781 = 1264 suspects born abroad. Thus, comparing those born in Sweden with two parents born in Sweden with those born abroad, they are suspected in roughly comparable proportions. Adding in data from those born in Sweden, but with one or two parents born abroad makes the figure for immigrants smaller and in neither case does the evidence support that most rapists are born abroad.

https://www.bra.se/bra/publikationer/arkiv/publikationer/2005-12-14-brottslighet-bland-personer-fodda-i-sverige-och-i-utlandet.html

And on Sweden being the rape capital of the world.

The major result from this graph is that not a lot happens over time. Since 2005, most categories are roughly the same or slightly decreasing, although there is some random fluctuation from year to year.

The Swedish Crime Survey attempts to ask additional details about the seriousness of the sex crime in question by asking if the sex crime was accompanied by violence or threats of violence, if the victim was incapacitated by sleeping, alcohol or drugs and if the victim would label it as rape. However, because it cannot be generally expected that victims of sexual crimes fully understand legal definitions of rape, those estimates are more uncertain. The year-to-year variability in rapes is comparable to that of sex crimes generally.

This also means that the doomsday claims made in alternative media and Internet forums about an avalanche of rapes and sex crimes in the wake of immigration is empirically false. So how could so many political ideologues be so profoundly mistaken on this issue? It turns out that it is because they look solely on incidence of reported rapes and not actual incidence of rape.

https://www.bra.se/bra/brott-och-statistik/statistik/utsatthet-for-brott/ntu.html

When anti-immigration activists are faced with data from crime victim surveys that show that actual rates of sex crimes is more or less constant in Sweden from 2005, they rarely change their minds. Instead they either appeal to conspiracy theories about the government hiding statistics (even though it is freely available online), and if they are more sophisticated, they will try to make faulty comparisons with rape statistics from other countries, such as Denmark. However, this is not a valid comparison.

The BRA states "Within established research about levels of crime and crime development, people are agreed that it is not possible to evaluate and compare the actual levels of violent crimes (such as rape) between countries by comparing the number of crimes reported to the police. This is because there are significant differences between the judicial systems of countries and systems for creating statistics showing crimes reported to the police."

Shouldn't fallacious information be removed. I showed it to my professor and he advised not using Wikipedia for this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AntiRacistSwede (talk • contribs) 22:29, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

The way you use these statistics here is incredibly disingenuous.

First, in analyzing "the myth of immigrants being more likely to commit 'rape' ," you cite statistics breaking down all criminals (not just sexual offenders) by ethnicity in Sweden, without even accounting for the raw number of each ethnic group in the Swedish population.

Then, you bring up the percentage of the total population of native Swedes suspected of rape versus non-native Swedes. By your own figures, a higher percentage (more than 5x) of immigrants commit rape, but you then factor in population to suggest that the two groups are suspected of rape in equal proportions. Why not cite statistics in the same fashion discussed in the previous paragraph?

The BRA figures you cite regarding the "rape capital of the world" statement only show the percentage of people exposed to these crimes without adjusting for population growth from year to year. Even if the figure stays at 1%, an increase in population means more rapes are being committed. Those figures also do not compare Swedish statistics to the rest of the world's, so they hardly debunk the rape capital "myth."

Finally, you end with an appeal to authority, stating that your "professor... advised not using Wikipedia for these." Your professor's opinion has no bearing on the veracity of the article.

-M — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.121.210.63 (talk) 13:10, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

I concur with M's comment above (please create/log in to your Wikipedia account though, M). I have thus restored two sources deleted by the AntiRacistSwede and removed some undue NPOV language: "cherrypicking" from the content. I leave the rest to other Wikipedians. Zezen (talk) 17:40, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

I have studied this in university for several years now, especially on the issue of Sweden's crime/rape statistics. I also cited to the exact pages where the statistics on rape were so your claim is erroneous and you didn't read my argument. Martens, P., & Holmberg, S. (2005). Brottslighet bland personer födda i Sverige och i utlandet. Brottsförebyggande rådet (BRÅ). https://www.bra.se/bra/publikationer/arkiv/publikationer/2005-12-14-brottslighet-bland-personer-fodda-i-sverige-och-i-utlandet.html Pages. 34-36, 40-42

These have more or less been constant for the past 10 years (as measured by crime victim surveys), despite a heavy increase in the amount of immigration to Sweden. This directly contradicts the anti-immigration position that more immigration equals radically more sex crimes. Looking at more long-term trends is no help to anti-immigration activists as we are currently in a long-term decline in more or less all forms of violent crime.

1. These figures are for ALL immigrants, not just immigrants from North Africa and the Middle East. This figure includes immigrants born in Norway, Finland, Denmark, U. S. etc. I repeat, these figures are not the figures for North Africa / Middle East, but ALL immigrants regardless of country. I cannot stress this enough, because when people hear “immigrants”, they think “people with dark skin who are Muslim”.

2. These are figures for suspected rapes/attempted rapes and not convicted rapes/attempted rapes or perpetrated rapes/attempted rapes. Only about 20-25% of rapes/attempted rapes are tied to specific person(s) in Sweden, so this is a small sample out of a small sample to begin with.

3. No confounders are being controlled for, such as age, education, legal sex or income. Controlling for confounders reduces criminality that can be attributed to the immigration variable (see above, also p. 39).

4. The tendency to file a police report is assumed to be the same against perpetrators that are born in Sweden with Swedish parents and against immigrant perpetrators.

5. It is also assumed that the criminal justice system has no bias against ethnic minorities, which we know it does.

This means that we should interpret those figures with a grain of salt, since we do not have adequate data that takes these factors into account. -M- also didn't seem to read the paper, as I've cited the pages to which it talks about rape statistics specifically, hence backing up my original claims on this myth. There are also several articles on the internet debunking this myth aside from my analysis, like these posts on Reddit.

https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/36d3z8/is_sweden_now_the_rape_capital_of_the_world_no/

https://www.reddit.com/r/sweden/comments/3w8gki/the_number_of_rapes_in_sweden_are_not_as_high_as/

In the end, if we are to judge immigrants (or any collection of individuals) as a group, it is not overrepresentation we should base that on. That would be the statistical mistake known as fallacy of transposed conditionals. Instead, we should base that on the proportion of immigrants who rape. We do not know this figure precisely, but less than 0.5% have been suspected of a sex crime and less than 0.3% have been suspected for rape or attempted rape under the study period (p. 42). A very, very low proportion of immigrants commit sex crimes, and we should therefore drop the moral panic about immigration and rape. I don't know why my professor wouldn't matter since he is educated on this subject and appeal to authority applies to opinions from authority not facts.

This source is also original research, and not an actual study, hence why I removed it since it violates wikipedia's rules on Original Reserarch http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Wikipedia:No_original_research , and also seems to be from a pseudo-science website masquerading as a publisher.

http://openpsych.net/ODP/2014/04/criminality-among-norwegian-immigrant-populations/

And the other (http://www.pdf-archive.com/2011/05/08/br-1996-2-invandrares-och-invandrares-barns-brottslighet-1/br-1996-2-invandrares-och-invandrares-barns-brottslighet-1.pdf) was outdated information that username Galveston removed that uses data from 1985-1989.

AntiRacistSwede (talk) 21:34, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

This is the only study that breaks down convicted rapers in Sweden by country. There is also no other indication that the results are outdated. Since the newer studies do not provide this break down the results from this study should be kept. 95.222.28.75 (talk) 14:41, 9 January 2016 (UTC)

@AntiRacistSwede Your editions of the article damage it:

A. You introduce stylistic and formatting errors.

B. You misrepresent the source statistics.

C. You introduce non-WP:RS personal blogs as references.

Also, some ad hominem, which I rarely resort to:

A. You spam/vandalize another user's page and then unsuccessfully report her for disagreeing with you and accuse her of "promoting right-wing blog", resulting in WP:BOOMERANG.

B. You operate as WP:SPA, with controversial edits to two mainspace articles only to your name.

C. Your account name and the rationale given above implies that you have a WP:COI: fighting the assumed racism of us, your colleagues, editing articles about Sweden.

For the time being, I shall apply the WP:AGF policy of the doubt, but please explain your edits and be more careful with them, as per the above. Zezen (talk) 17:12, 9 January 2016 (UTC)

Rollback of copyvio text

I've reverted 4 edits by a user @ 84.203.77.177, comprised of text taken from http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/5195/sweden-rape. Ryan8374 (talk) 07:57, 28 December 2015 (UTC)

Openpsych

Is not a reliable source but a forum where fringe and amateur psychologists selfpublish articles they cant get published in real journals. It should not be used in wikipedia articles, but should be removed on sight. The information cite to openpsych and BRÅ, currently makes up a single whole - and it would take some work to rephrase it in a way that does not include the information from Openpsych. That is why I am simply removing it. Anyone reinserting the BRÅ material should do this work, so as to not be inserting further unreliably sourced information about this sensitive topic.·maunus · snunɐɯ· 22:08, 30 January 2016 (UTC)

Based on WP:UGC the study authored by Emil O. W Kirkegaard published and published by Open Differential Psychology is acceptable. The author is an expert in the relevant field, has been has been published by reliable third-party publications, and does not make extraordinary claims. The study has also been informally peer-reviewed (http://openpsych.net/forum/showthread.php?tid=8) and is open-access so fact checking is always available to anyone. MartinAlexander1 (talk) 19:36, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

No, he is a graduate student in linguistics, not a psychologist. And he is a proponent of views and methods that are outside of the mainstream of psychological research. Having published an article doesnt make you an instant expert or lead to your personal musings or blogs being notable. A bunch of fringe psychologist "peer reviewing" eachother in an online forum is entirely irrelevant for our purposes. Openpsych is a fringe selfpublished website and is exactly the kind of site that should never be linked from Wikipedia. ·maunus · snunɐɯ· 00:42, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

No data for past few years

There doesn't seem to be much information in this article about the past few years. In particular, the graph in the Victim surveys section has no data for 2012-2016. It may be worth updating it considering the resurgence of talk about the immigration crisis in the media. George Makepeace (talk) 20:09, 1 May 2016 (UTC)

Cases involving male victims and female perpetrators

Why is this paragraph even here? There is no source to support this statement still. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.244.70.75 (talk) 18:06, 10 May 2016 (UTC)

Swedish over-rape or culturolegal effect?

1. rape in Sweden has a broader sense than in other countries
2. Swedish girls are more prone to speak to the authorities
3. Swedish rapists usually don't kill their victims (deceased victims are not always recognized as rape victims for various reasons)
4. Swedish authorities pay attention to accusations
5. Swedish authorities reveal the actual rape data

Some african nations proclaim less rapes per capita. Do you really believe that? If so and it happens to travel there, hold your ass tight! 20:01, 10 May 2016 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:587:410A:3E00:508D:83CC:4F16:19E4 (talk)

2A02:587:410A:3E00:508D:83CC:4F16:19E4

• 1. please cite
  2. please cite
  3. rapists generally don't kill their victims
  4. authorities generally pay attention to accusations
  5. please cite

GregKaye 12:57, 31 July 2016 (UTC)

• 1. While linguistic differences may be involved, we can not really suggest that without a source which addresses the nuances of the Swedish language.
  2. Possible, since there is a belief that rapes are underreported in various jurisdictions due to fear of retaliation or violence against the victims who dare to speak of the crime. Again we would need a source to actually suggest this.
  3. I think there is quite a distinction between rape and rape-and-murder, as the later case has significant overlap with serial killers who sexually abuse their victims.
  4. Possible, as the particular biases of investigating authorities do have an effect on how rape cases are handled. However unless we have sources on how the Swedish authorities handle matters, we can add a thing to the article.
  5. As opposed to authorities who manipulate data for various reasons? Possible but I am not sure that there is a way to actually determine whether there are no cases of unreported rapes or cases of exaggerations or falsehoods in cases actually reported. No data or database is ever perfect.

While I doubt that Africa is a rape-free paradise, (according to the Sexual violence in South Africa article: "South African police estimates that a woman is raped every 36 seconds") this might have to do with a relatively small population of victims in comparison to the large or huge populations of the whole country. South Africa reports 500,000 rape cases every single year, but this is tiny in comparison to a population of 55 million people. Dimadick (talk) 10:14, 1 August 2016 (UTC)

Hi, points 1, 2 and 5 are already referenced in the article, and AFAICS 4 is as well, at least indirectly. However, what the poster of the 10. of May wants to achieve is unclear, since the whole article is basically already stating what s/he is stating. T 85.166.160.7 (talk) 04:17, 10 December 2016 (UTC)

Rape Capital of Europe

This article needs to include how the African and Arab Migrants and refugees have contributed to a spiked increase in rape in Sweden. It's readily available, but needs to be included here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.45.170.235 (talk) 18:06, 23 December 2016 (UTC)

The claim above is being widely circulated in the US. I would live to see it verified or debunked. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.68.196.133 (talk) 23:10, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

You cannot point out that middle east immigrants are raping Swedish women even though it is obvious. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.161.200.5 (talk) 05:51, 6 May 2017 (UTC)

Livestreamed rape

Hi, I don't think details of the 'live-streamed rape' that was broken in the media yesterday need to go into the opening paragraphs of this article (or in this article at all), especially as the event is so recent as to obscure its long-term notability. Opening this out to discussion as User:NativeEarthC1tizen insists on adding it in. — Zcbeaton (talk) 08:56, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

Hi Zcbeaton have you any suggestions on where in this article User:NativeEarthC1tizen can put a content contribution? I suggest a section for media attention on 'Rape in Sweden'. This is an important subject that needs to be documented when high profile cases emerge such as the recent 'Facebook live stream rape case'. Violence against woman can only be prevented when woman in Sweden and around the world have knowledge on recent cases to prevent further crimes and to help discourage sexual violence by possible future offenders. — NativeEarthC1tizen (talk) 10:04, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

Brå Controversy

Where are the sources that discuss the government acts that aggregate rape statistics and the controversy surrounding that aggregation?

It should be fairly obvious that Brå has been directed to aggregate "rape" statistics in such a way that it hides the correlation structure of severity of the sexual assault by nation of origin of the perpetrators. This aggregation occurred coincident with an expanded definition of "rape" to include relatively minor sexual assaults _and_ the huge influx of immigrants. This kind of aggregation is suspicious, to say the least. If "authoritative sources" engage in such obfuscation, it is obvious that "authoritative sources" would then have the appearance of an ethical conflict of interest when it comes to interpreting rape statistics -- imputing them to be due to "reporting increases". "Reporting increases" is always the narrative offered by existing authorities for reasons that should be obvious to anyone familiar with ethics. As Wikipedia relies on "authoritative sources" but does not examine their conflicts of interest, it seems that, at the very least, there should be an effort made to include in such controversial subjects, viewpoints that raise questions about said conflicts of interest. And these sources should be provided what would ordinarily be "undue weight" to compensate for the ethical bias. Jim Bowery (talk) 15:57, 7 February 2017 (UTC)

Rape of males

A significant proportion of victims of rape or sexual violence incidents in general are male, is it worth mentioning here? since and i quote "In 2014, some 370 cases of sexual assault on men or boys were reported across Sweden, according to the Swedish National Council for Crime Prevention" ref--201.226.15.184 (talk) 19:17, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

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@AadaamS:@Soupforone: I made some additions of important statistical information here as well, but am still not good at incorporating it into the previous text. Help would be very appreciated. http://en.wiki.x.io/w/index.php?title=Rape_in_Sweden&type=revision&diff=810511421&oldid=810282838 David A (talk) 18:36, 15 November 2017 (UTC)

Breitbart reference

Is the reference that @66.218.56.190: added to this article reliable enough for the claim that they are adding @EvergreenFir: appears to think that it isn't reliable? I took a look at the article but could not determine based on that one whether or not it is reliable. Sakura Cartelet^Talk 02:55, 29 December 2017 (UTC)

Based on the discussions about Breitbart on WP:RSN. Generally not a reliable source for political things. History of fake news. EvergreenFir (talk) 03:03, 29 December 2017 (UTC)

about Nigel Farage

Hi GenoV84 I deleted the Nigel Farage comments as at the time he uttered them, they could not be verified by reliable data and reliable data is what Wikipedia depends upon. So paradoxically, comments in 2017 are rumours, but a similar comment in 2018 would be supported by data from Swedish Television. Instead this information could be added to the article on Nigel Farage. AadaamS (talk) 05:31, 2 September 2018 (UTC)

Updating to Nationella trygghetsundersökningen 2020

The 2018 report is referenced in one paragraph and prominent graph, but it has since been updated with more recent data.

File:Self-reported exposure to sexual offenses in Sweden 2006–2019.png

Comparative exposure to sexual offenses (unwanted sexual insults, comments or contact including rape) for Swedish women and men over 2016 to 2019 for ages 16-84

This data shows that the "sexual assault explosion" reported by Breibart is not an ongoing phenomenon. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ceandros (talk • contribs) 16:32, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

Pie chart errors?

The pie chart in the birthplace of perpetrators section does not match the section below it. The numbers don't add up to the purported total of 843 and the totals for "Europe" and "Other Africa" appear to have been swapped.

I can't read the source article and am unfamiliar with formatting. Is there someone who can take a look at this? Apologies if this was not the right place for this it's my first time here. Takusan12 (talk) 19:16, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

Editorializing

Is this kind of editorializing appropriate? There have been dozens of commentaries on this topic and I don't think we can and should include every commentator's opinion.VR _talk 02:59, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

Removal of scholarly material

Why was this removed? Its sourced to scholarly sources so its WP:DUE in some form.VR _talk 00:12, 8 July 2021 (UTC)

Additionally the issue of the relationship between rape and immigration in Sweden has been explored in many sources. I suspect a lot of readers come here looking for such information. There needs to be a section that gives a more wholesome coverage of that topic.

For example, this current section Rape in Sweden#Birthplace of perpetrators misleadingly suggests a connection between immigrants and rape because it does not account for confounding factors as explained here (based on this research paper by Jerzy Sarnecki).VR _talk 00:33, 8 July 2021 (UTC)

Just because one can statistically "explain away" some of the elevated crime rates by adjusting for socio-economic variables doesn't mean they aren't doing more crimes on average and that there isn't a connection. It just suggests that those might be mediating factors. Ignoring the problematic nature of adjusting for socio-economic status, parents education and assuming they cause crime.

In addition, these are children of immigrants. So it only partly addresses it. And there is no seperation of Danes or Norwegians which naturally are very closely related to Swedes and likely confound this analyses. Gelbom (talk) 05:22, 7 November 2024 (UTC)