Talk:Ramblin' Wreck

Historical Discrepencies

It's funny how there are so many websites out there with mistypes, inaccuracies, and just plain wrong info about the Wreck. I've pretty much cleared up most of the history that is incorrect using papers and documents from the 60's and 70's rather than necessarily using websites (although the sites are cited as primary sources). I've found that documents from the beginning of the Wreck's lifetime have a lot less discrepancies than the Ga Tech websites usually do. Weird how everything you read on the net isn't always true. I'll get those citings up sooner rather than later. Excaliburhorn Jan 31, 2007 11:00PM EST. UTC

Interesting. By the way, I'm going to nominate this article for GA status fairly soon... perhaps after the web citations are fixed using {{cite web}}, {{cite news}} etc. —Disavian (^talk/_contribs) 05:38, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

===Old Ford Race===

"The fastest time in the race was performed by an Essex which completed the 79-mile (111 km) race in 1 hour and 26 minutes or 51 mph (82 km/h)." There appears to be a math error in the metric conversions. 79 miles = 127 km, and conversely 111 km = 69 mi. The speed/time conversions are also inaccurate, since 79 miles in 1 hr 26 min => 55 mph and 111 km in 1 hr 26 min => 77 kph. Dick Kimball (talk) 13:16, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

===Corvair 440===

I'm pretty sure this is either a typo or a misunderstanding and that the aluminum panels actually came from a General Dynamics Convair CV-440 airplane, an enlarged and soundproofed version of the original Consolidated Vultee Aircraft Corporation Convair CV-240 airliner first flown in 1947. (Consolidated Vultee became the Convair division of General Dynamics in 1953). The Wiki page on the Chevrolet Corvair lacks any mention of a model designated 440. Dick Kimball (talk) 14:59, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

Good catches Dick. Both of your statements are true alright.--Excaliburhorn (talk) 19:33, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

GA Passed

Meets all criteria listed at WP:WIAGA. Congrats! --Jayron32|talk|contribs 03:45, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Woohoo. -Excaliburhorn 15:33, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

That's #6. I'm running out of high-quality B-class articles to nominate :p —Disavian (^talk/_contribs) 20:19, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

So what are the other two cars?

From the AP story:

WAGA said the Rambling Wreck was at an undisclosed location where Bird and others planned to make repairs. There are two others that could be used in a pinch, the station said.

What are the other two cars? Clearly different models or lookalikes? —C.Fred (talk) 00:05, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

The other two they may be referencing are the Alumni Wreck (a convertible) and the shell in the lobby of the hotel (doesn't run). Neither are suitable replacements nor in any shape or form equivalents. --Excaliburhorn 01:30, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Ah. The article made it sound like they were at least suitable replacements. However, whereas other statements in the article were cited back to the Athletic Department, the replacement car comment got no further than (Atlanta TV station) WAGA. Curiously, WAGA had no article on their website today (Thursday). —C.Fred (talk) 01:48, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

I think a better article would be the AJC. They've gotten the best interview so far.link Also, the Technique should be coming out with an article sooner or later with an interview. There's really no new published information on the subject. That AP article really is terrible. I think WAGA just made up some things about the Wreck after the interview and spit an article out for everyone to send out. I've seen on it on Yahoo, CBS, ABC, NBC, ESPNU, Sports Illustrated, etc. but I guess any press is good press. Too bad it has to be about such a terrible incident.--Excaliburhorn 05:30, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

I'll agree with you there-- it was one of the shittiest articles I've ever read. Plus, they filed it under "Oddly enough" or "strange," which is a bit of an insult. —Disavian (^talk/_contribs) 06:49, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Accident

I think it'd be an interesting addition to add a more in depth part about the accident to this article because it's probably become a fairly popular viewing since June 15th. We can build it in an accident, restoration, and unveiling type format with each part pretty thick with the metric crap ton of references out there now. I also think the "Famous Incidents" section is kind of trivial because none of the stories are in depth enough or have poor references. I guess it'll be a mini-project in the next few weeks. --Excaliburhorn 01:55, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

Spit and polish

This is more for my own benefit than anything else, mostly because I don't feel this is necessary on the FAC page. However, this is also for the benefit of the regular editors of this article.

• I've gone through and fixed some really picky stuff with non-breaking spaces and date formatting in refs. If I missed any, please fix them.
• Speaking of refs, I noticed that the general "Citation" template is used for a lot of the old Technique articles. Do we want to leave it that way, or should those all be converted to "cite news"?
• The lead could use a smidgen of expansion. I think if we pull a little out of each section and summarize, we should be able to get to the suggested three-paragraphs easily. I'll see what I can do about that later if no one gets to it before me.
  • Update 22 Aug 2007: I've expanded the lead and added a paragraph about the South American Wrecks in the history section. Please review and comment.
• I rearranged some of the images to fall more in line with the WP:MOS. Particularly, there's that annoying rule about left-aligned images after third-level headings. I think. If I'm wrong, slap me, then fix it. I also made the lead image a little bigger. It seemed puny compared to the big one of Whatshisname under it.
• I need to go through and do some good, old, classic copy-editing. At a quick glance I don't see anything glaringly wrong, but it can't hurt. It also can't hurt if someone else (or several someones else) does this, too. The more eyes the better.
• Update 22 Aug 2007: I added a few refs in the places where it was suggested they were necessary in the FAC. Take a look at my comments there regarding this.
• Update 22 Aug 2007: Does anyone have a source that talks about the selection of the earliest Wreck drivers? I seem to recall that it was the president of the Interfraternity Council (or something) at some point. It had something to do with fraternities. This would be good to expand the section about the drivers.

LaMenta3 16:36, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

The 1963 Student Council Reck Committee report details the position at the time. The Reck Driver from around 1961-1967ish? was an elected member of the student council and was a sophomore. The Model A Ramblin' Wreck was never controlled by fraternities. That's kind of a mixing of stories from the pre-1961 years and the early 60's Ramblin' Wreck years.--Excaliburhorn 14:56, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Copyright?

"The Institute has adopted the spelling Ramblin' Wreck and holds the copyright on the phrase." Such short phrases are not eligible for copyright under US law. Unless someone posts supporting evidence, I plan to delete this claim. Can anyone verify? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.156.147.178 (talk) 00:29, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

From the Copyright FAQ at the US Copyright Office's website (www.copyright.gov): "Copyright does not protect names, titles, slogans, or short phrases." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.156.147.219 (talk) 01:07, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Whoever wrote that probably meant "trademarked". —Disavian (^talk/_contribs) 01:09, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

This page lists Georgia Tech's trademarks. —Disavian (^talk/_contribs) 01:26, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Fixed it for you. (diff) —Disavian (^talk/_contribs) 02:05, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Mascots

The first sentence of this article says that the wreck is "the official mascot," but Buzz is later referenced as another Georgia Tech mascot. (That article says that they're both the mascots.) Are they both of equal status? If not, can one part of the article or the other be rephrased? Thanks, and congratulations on being today's featured article! --Lkjhgfdsa (talk) 00:19, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

It's the official mascot of the student body (which I believe the article says), as it's more associated with the school's engineering/trade school/tinkering history, while Buzz tends to be more associated with athletics, though the appearances and uses of the two are not mutually exclusive by any means. They are, as far as I know, both of equal status. The dual mascot thing is, admittedly, a bit unusual, so I hope that clears it up. LaMenta3 (talk) 01:12, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

wow!

What a boring article. I mean seriously, what a mind blowingly tedious, uninteresting, badly written load of nonsense. I hope that the sad little turds that wrote this, (presumably all-male members of the "Georgia Institute of Technology" - have just had a look: yup,) went to their techy school this morning with a happy smirk on their faces because their sad little special interest is today's "featured article" on wikipedia. Hopefully tomorrow we will be back with more computer games. Mr Poechalkdust (talk) 10:14, 16 May 2009 (UTC) 07:25, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

Your wish is somebody's command Parrot of Doom (talk) 12:33, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

lol - hilarious! and I can't help thinking that The Simpsons needs much more coverage than it presently enjoys; and Friends, and Pokemon Mr Poechalkdust (talk) 10:14, 16 May 2009 (UTC) 13:16, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

PS why does my name keep changing? Mr Poechalkdust (talk) 10:14, 16 May 2009 (UTC) 13:16, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

Register an account and it won't. Parrot of Doom (talk) 14:21, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

But then they'll lose their precious anonymity! Poechalkdust (talk) 08:55, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

What, you mean "Poechalkdust" is actually your name?! That is cool. I see that you like Star Wars Mr Poechalkdust. Well done. I loved it when it came out. I think I was about 7. I have registered with Wikipedia before but I seem to remember getting into trouble because I made a slightly negative comment about "Today's Featured Article" - some computer game or other. I hope you enjoy today's FA! Mr Poechalkdust (talk) 05:44, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

For completeness I have now registered - and look at the highly amusing name I have chosen !!! Mr Poechalkdust (talk) 10:14, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

Someone sounds bitter about their own university (though the IP is from France so who knows... they, and the rest of the EU, have nothing like the sports-related collegiate traditions in the US)... --Bobak (talk) 16:57, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

I think you answered your own question in your statement. This particular Model A is interesting because it's been maintained by students with a limited budget and kept in very good condition. The car is 79 years old and there's nothing else like it in American sports particularly mascots. Most mascots are animals or costumed figures not ageless autos. So it kind of symbolizes the work ethic of GT students and the industrial nature of GT's academics (being a classic American auto).--Excaliburhorn (talk) 19:38, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

Yes, you're right it is really interesting. I stand corrected sir. Most mascots are animals or costumed figures. 83.193.98.221 (talk) 10:03, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

Fight Song

I would like to see more information on the relationship between the mechanical Ramblin' Wreck and the school's fight song "I'm a Ramblin' Wreck from Georgia Tech". Maybe this could go in the third paragragh of the History section. Since the song was published in 1908 (and used at least a decade before then) and the term Ramblin' Wreck (as applied to the automobile) dates from the 1920's, there must be some connection.

Also, the article on the song says, in its introduction, that "The title [of the song] refers to the Ramblin' Wreck, one of Tech's mascots and a nickname for Tech students." This implies that the Model T mascot came first and, only after the name of the automobile became popular, were the lyrics to the song written. Based on the dates, I strongly think that it was the other way 'round. If the song came first (and I'm no expect so I'm not making the change myself), you might modify the article on the fight song as well. -- RoyGoldsmith (talk) 11:16, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

The term "Ramblin' Wreck" was used prior to the creation of the actual mascot to refer to the makeshift automobiles made by students working on projects in South America, and eventually, to refer to the students themselves (see paragraph 1 of the history section of this article). Perhaps the article about the song could be a little more clear on this point, but the actual Wreck, I would presume, was created as sort of a homage to that tradition of creating a vehicle and keeping it running with little more than love and know-how, so to say that the song refers to the actual Wreck isn't entirely inaccurate, just maybe a bit confusing. We (that is to say Wikiproject Georgia Tech) have been looking for some feedback on the fight song article, so your critique is greatly appreciated. :) LaMenta3 (talk) 21:10, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

Re: wow!

You are so right, 86.196.206.84. This is the worst kind of cod-heritage bilge and Wikipedia really shouldn't be featuring it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.123.61.6 (talk) 12:32, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

You have to love when someone from a private consulting firm, in this case registered to Business & Decision (UK), took time out of the hours that clients are paying for to comment on something as completely relevant to their work as this article. Bravo: I now know that this company either does its important research using Wikipedia or it has a lot of employees who are being paid too much to waste time editing on Wikipedia (two things that are, safe to say, not recommended by the Project). --Bobak (talk) 17:00, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

A little presumptuous don't you think to state that the contributor is an employee? Perhaps said contributor owns the company. Parrot of Doom (talk) 18:24, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

Congratulations on the FA

Well done article, glad to see it on the main page. Don't listen to the folks who can't appreciate the quirks of American university traditions. The only problem is this makes me wish the fight song was an FA --more people need to read the lyrics. --Bobak (talk) 16:51, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks! You're certainly welcome to nominate Ramblin' Wreck from Georgia Tech for FA status; it is a relatively high-quality article. —Disavian (^talk/_contribs) 20:57, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

Relatively high quality article does not do it justice. I would like to nominate it for "Today's Featured Article". 86.196.142.133 (talk) 21:59, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

"Reck Club" and "The Reck Club"

The name of the club that cares for the car is Ramblin' Reck Club, not The Ramblin' Reck Club. That's like referring to Pink Floyd as "The Pink Floyd." 98.242.73.166 (talk) 19:18, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

As one of the primary contributors to this article is a former Wreck driver, I'll bow to his judgment on this one, as he's the closest thing we have to an "expert" in this field. LaMenta3 (talk) 21:14, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

The corrections have all been pretty productive thus far. I think saying "The Reck Club" or "Reck Club" works. "Reck Club" would be a more historical way to say it in that they were "Ramblin' Recks" at the formation of the organization. Old articles would refer to Reck Club simply as the Recks. "The Reck Club" is a more modern usage because it's not necessarily referring to a group of Recks but to the group's affiliation with the actual mechanical Wreck (e.g. "The Ramblin' Wreck Maintenance Club"). I think all of the references in the article are just "Reck Club" anyways and it reads fine, right?--98.25.85.48 (talk) 23:14, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

Actually, I'm a current member of RRC, and I actually am friends with contributor LaMenta3 mentions. It may have just been an oversight, or it may not have been his work. However, the current club does not refer to itself as 'the' Reck Club or 'the' Ramblin' Reck Club. The name of the club refers to the title of Ramblin' Reck, which has been around long before the actual car existed. So while the club has acquired the responsibility of taking care of the mechanical mascot, that responsibility had nothing to do with the name of the club. 98.242.73.166 (talk) 15:08, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

"freighted"

"Freighted" is weird. Why not "shipped"? Even better if the particular mode of shipping was omitted, except for the part about the wreck. I don't agree that this article is without merit; as a college football fan I enjoy reading about different school's traditions. That part was a bit out of place and tedious, however. 64.126.121.67 (talk) 21:20, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

Other student owned cars

I believe Ole Miss and Mercer University have similar auto mascots. I'm not sure if they're student owned/operated like the Ramblin' Wreck and I don't know where any references are for the vehicles.--98.25.85.48 (talk) 23:21, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

hat's the deal ith the ne change to ho the name is spelled?

So, despite the fact that the article cites the Institute itself as using the spelling Ramblin' Wreck, Embaker823 (talk · contribs) has changed every occurrence of it to Ramblin' Reck throughout the article, on the basis that "The media and Athletic Association have been wrong for a while in their spelling, but the true history is correct and credible. The original archives of the Georgia Institute of Technology mention the 'Ramblin' Reck'."[1]

Is there any support for this wholesale spelling change? —C.Fred (talk) 17:52, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

Hi! This is my first time contributing to a wikipedia article, but I thought that I could help out with the discrepancy as it was brought to my attention. I am one of the current caretakers of the Ramblin Reck and a member of the Rambin Reck Club. While the Georgia Tech Institute licensing department uses the spelling 'Wreck', the historical and official spelling of the car is the 'Ramblin Reck'. While I do not believe the title of the article itself should be changed, I took a look at the edits that Embaker823 made and find them to be accurate. I can provide citations if further needed! Thanks! --Jackets1991 (talk) 18:11, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

See my comments on C.Fred's and Embaker 823's talkpages. To summarize my position , the "Reck" spelling deserves mention in the article as common use among students and alumni (it's how I spelled it on the staff of the Technique), but I find it distracting if widely used in the article. The 'Nique reference to the Freshman Survival Guide uses a W, I note, and Ramblin' Wreck song emphatically uses a W, so an emphasis on the different spelling makes it a bit confusing to the lay person. It's sort of an inside joke/tradition, and extensive use of "Reck" in the article is jarring to the uninitiated (the article's target audience) and detracts from the point of the article. I'll further note that a former Reck driver (there, I said it) was one of the principal authors of the article, so Reck Club opinion is far from unanimous. Acroterion (talk) 18:32, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

I also responded on C.Fred's talkpages.--Jackets1991 (talk) 18:59, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

When I write e-mails and talk about the vehicle "Wreck," I use the spellings "Reck" or "'Reck" as opposed to "Wreck". I think it differentiates the car from students/fans/alum/football team. However, for official-ness and clarity, I think it should remain Ramblin' Wreck in the article. There is not an incorrect way to spell it, in my opinion. I also don't think this article should be a debate ground for student spelling versus administration spelling. The first articles referring to Dean Floyd's Reck spelled it both ways and it's entirely possible that the original "Reck" spelling was either a misspelling or joke on the dilapidated Ford. I think that we should just stick with the modern media consensus, which refers to the car as the "Ramblin' Wreck" even if I spell it amongst my compatriots as "Ramblin' Reck".--Excaliburhorn (talk) 03:16, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

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Fight song

I am surprised that discussion of the obviously related Ramblin' Wreck from Georgia Tech fight song is relegated to a passing mention in third position in the "See also" section. This seems like a strange editorial decision in a Featured article. It seems highly likely to me that reliable sources would discuss the connections between the automobile and the song. Am I wrong? Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 04:00, 29 November 2020 (UTC)

The Wreck/Reck (don't get me started about the spelling) and the fight song developed sort of separately, with the vehicle coming along after the song. I agree that some clarification or elaboration might be called for. Acroterion (talk) 04:16, 29 November 2020 (UTC)

Is it forbidden to play the song when the car appears? Is there some sort of active effort to keep the car separate from the song? That would be strange but worthy of discussion in a Featured article. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 07:43, 29 November 2020 (UTC)

Not at all, they play the Ramblin' Wreck whenever the car shows up - it's drilled into my head after four years of undergraduate and two of graduate school at Tech. I think it is just a quirk of the article composition - there's another section up the page about the same thing . Acroterion (talk) 03:57, 30 November 2020 (UTC)