Talk:Ra'il I'Nasah Kiam

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Feedback from New Page Review process

I left the following feedback for the creator/future reviewers while reviewing this article: Thanks for the article, always great to see non-binary activists in the spotlight! Since two of the sources, Slate and ABC, use xir birth name, it could be helpful to mention it just once in the lead (I was confused at first and didn't realize it was the same person that Slate was talking about). Also, if I'Nasah Kiam uses both xe and they pronouns, I believe they/them is recommended on Wikipedia for readability, as some people are sadly less familiar with neopronouns.

Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 10:45, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Okay to remove tags?

Hi all!

Encylopedic tone

I'm a longtime editor, but someone with only limited knowledge of this subject (and no conflict of interest). I responded to a request for assistance, and have (I think / I hope?) edited to make the tone more encyclopedic.

As such, I'd like to remove that tag. However, that feels as if it would be a wee bit self-serving to do that less than 24 hours after my edits, so I figure I'll ask here first, and flag a couple of people who've put their fingers into the article, so they can come check it out now (Paging: Paigeb4, Demuretsy, Chaotic Enby, Heavy Grasshopper). If there isn't any significant disagreement in, say, a week, then I'll go ahead and remove the tag. If it's mostly there, I hope you'll just help fix it yourself. Of course, if I'm out to lunch, and it's nowhere near, please say so!

AshleyMorton (talk) 20:30, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Primary Sources

At this point, the article cites 12 sources, of which 3 are authored by the subject of the article, and the main body of the article doesn't (to my eyes) "rely" overmuch on those primary sources for anything that seems debatable (e.g. it seems reasonable to cite a primary source regarding the thought process going into the person's own name - it would be quite different if the cited primary source was basically "What I did was sooooo notable, because..."). The article also contains a significant number of cross-links within Wikipedia to additional information regarding points it mentions. As above, if this doesn't seem right to you, speak up, but this seems ready to have this tag removed. Because I had less to do with this part of things, and it feels like less of a judgement call, I'm going to go ahead and remove this tag but, clearly, I'm happy to discuss things if you disagree.

AshleyMorton (talk) 20:30, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@AshleyMorton Cross-links shouldn't be a substitute to sourcing, as we can't guarantee that the linked articles will keep a consistent sourcing. All claims made on this article should be sourced on this article.
Regarding the number of primary sources, of the 11 cited in the article (one is duplicated), five are primary sources (the ABC News source is an interview and thus mostly primary), which is still too much.
The last one, the subject's Tumblr blog, doesn't actually verify any of the claims it is supposed to reference.

Source reliability table
Source	Type	Reliable	Verifies claims
Kiam, Ra'il I'Nasah (2022-05-18). "Where a Name Is From". CONTINGENT. Retrieved 2024-08-20.	Primary	Self-published	Yes
Nkonde, Mutale (2022-04-27). "Elon Musk Says He Wants Free Speech on Twitter. But for Whom?". Slate. ISSN 1091-2339. Retrieved 2024-09-07.	Secondary	Yes	Partially
Hampton, Rachelle (2019-04-23). "The Black Feminists Who Saw the Alt-Right Threat Coming". Slate. ISSN 1091-2339. Retrieved 2024-07-08.	Secondary (mostly)	Yes	Partially
Handel, Sarah, Mehta, Jonaki (May 24, 2023). "The challenges of accurately archiving Black Twitter on All Things Considered". NPR.org.`{{cite web}}`: CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (link)	Secondary	Yes	No
Reagan (2020-08-06). "I'Nasah Crockett and the Power of Signal Boosting". rae's media notebook. Retrieved 2024-08-20.	Secondary	No	No
Thomsen, Ian (2022-04-29). "What is the future of Black Twitter under Elon Musk?". Northeastern Global News. Retrieved 2024-08-20.	Secondary	Yes	No
""Raving Amazons": Antiblackness and Misogynoir in Social Media". Model View Culture. Retrieved 2024-08-20.	Primary	Self-published	No
Clark, Meredith (2024). We Tried to Tell Y'All: Black Twitter and the Rise of Digital Counternarratives (1st ed.). Oxford, UK: Oxford University Press. ISBN 9780190068141.	Secondary	Yes	Couldn't be accessed
Gallagher, Ferghal, A. B. C. News. "Minority communities fighting back against disinformation ahead of election". ABC News. Retrieved 2024-08-20.	Primary (mostly)	Yes	No
"Srcconpower2018 Talks Inasah \| SRCCON:POWER \| December 13 & 14, Philadelphia". power.srccon.org. Retrieved 2024-08-20.	Primary	Self-published	Yes, but only as an example
authorsofcolor. "Authors of Color". A place to find literature and writing by authors of color. Retrieved 2024-08-20.	Primary	Self-published	No

So, that's still a heavy reliance on primary sources, but, more importantly, a lot of sources failing verification altogether. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 07:03, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]