Talk:Quarry Bank Mill

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The article needs to make use of sections.
References and Citations are crucial for wikipedia, and so these must be added. Make sure that as many as possible are "in-line" citations.(See WP:References, WP:V, and WP:CITE for guidance.)

Peter I. Vardy 16:17, 9 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

National Trust template

The National Trust template has been removed as it is appropriate and useful on the pages for the various Trusts that it mentions, but not on the pages of individual properties. Grstain | Talk 13:32, 3 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Sources and references

Jessica Owens has collected together almost all the written references on the mill including quotes- and each snippit is referenced. Very useful for anyone taking this article further.

{{cite book|last=Owens|first=Jessica|title=Quarry Bank Mill and Styal Estate|publisher=National Trust|date=2010|edition=14-05-2010|series=GCSE Resources|ref=harv|url=http://www.nationaltrust.org.uk/cs/Satellite?blobcol=urldata&blobheader=application%2Fpdf&blobkey=id&blobtable=MungoBlobs&blobwhere=1349107091038&ssbinary=true}} -- Clem Rutter (talk) 23:01, 20 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Slave trade

What relevance does this have to this article. It does not refer to the mill or its owner, but to a relative of the owner. Please can we move it somewhere else, e.g. to Domenica? Brownturkey (talk) 14:44, 3 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

You can do this yourself. Aiken D 14:50, 3 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

OK, will do, if no-one objects. Brownturkey (talk) 16:33, 4 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I certainly object. You cannot just go removing inconvenient truths without extensive linking. If you have a POV, raise it here and leave it a week for comments- notify all the project groups and give them time to comment. It is also customary to a little research and find evidence to support your thesis. Now onto Domenica- you have cut and pasted text here- but failed to give the oldid edit number that is needed to maintain the edit log. This is a copyright breach or give a back link to the edit id on the this page. That said I do agree the bit about the slave rebellion could safely be pruned- and it was a good idea to place a copy of the info on Domenica. Have you any further references on Domenica and other slave owners you could share? --ClemRutter (talk) 13:02, 5 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

OK, then, I was following Aiken's advice but I see that you disagree. Apologies for not citing the oldid edit number. Perhaps Domenica is not the right place for this snippet. But may I ask you to respond to my original question: What relevance does the slavery section have to this article? It does not refer to the mill or its owner, but to a relative of the owner. I cannot imagine that we are going to include in every article about old buildings that a relative of a former owner also happened to be a slave owner.Brownturkey (talk) 21:04, 17 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with you on that. It's not about an "inconvenient" truth but an irrelevant one in ths case.Murgatroyd49 (talk) 15:21, 23 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

This is documented further on the Gtr Manchester Museums site- revealing histories-the situation is nuanced as the plantations used QBM textiles, and Samuel owned 150 slaves at one point- but later gregs were prominent abolitionists. David Seeker explores Hannah Greg's opinions- and how she was introduced into the TV docu-drama (years after her death) and primary sources where she makes her feelings known BRADBURY, WORDS BY HOWARD. "The true story behind Quarry Bank Mill - the inspiration for the Channel 4 drama". Cheshire Life. Retrieved 8 October 2017.. I have added one reference- and made the link stronger- he was a slave owner as well as being a benign mill owner. There are several articles to written on the subject- free free to add to the synopsis paragraph- but on balance I think we have got it right. ClemRutter (talk) 20:02, 8 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

ok that makes sense - in fact your new citation draws in not just Greg but the mill itself Brownturkey (talk) 17:48, 9 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Unknown parameter in info box

The parameter "| serving_river =" in the infobox gives an error message: Warning: Page using Template:Infobox mill building with unknown parameter "serving_river" (this message is shown only in preview).

The serving_river parameter appears to be an integral part of the infobox at Template:Infobox mill building can anyone see what is going on? Murgatroyd49 (talk) 19:40, 26 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hannah Lightbody, Mrs QBM

I added Hannah Lightbody to the lead and it was reverted with the comment that her husband had established the mill before they married. Fair enough. But the mill was innovative and successful in large part because of its labour relations, and she was the one mainly responsible for the apprentices, housing, education, decent conditions, etc. The interest that the mill has now for modern visitors is in large part driven by her contributions and story. What is a fair way of working her into the lead? --Carbon Caryatid (talk) 20:50, 16 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps something on the lines of "The mill was notable for the innovative approach to labour relations as a result of the work of Greg's wife, Hannah Lightbody." Murgatroyd49 (talk) 21:13, 16 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Done it Murgatroyd49 (talk) 21:16, 16 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, that's much better - a sentence all to herself! --Carbon Caryatid (talk) 23:02, 16 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Now all you need to do is expand the Apprenticeship section to include her involvement. Murgatroyd49 (talk) 08:39, 17 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]