Talk:Projekt Melody

Is Projekt Melody not a real person?

I was under the impression that there was a person playing the "Melody" character but the current Wiki page is written in a way that describes the character as a render with full A.I. capabilities. Is this not akin to an amateur webcam model using a program like FaceRig? — Preceding unsigned comment added by MorphineBear (talk • contribs) 23:40, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

@MorphineBear: I made it clear in the article body that Melody CLAIMS to be an artificial intelligence, which is accurate, even though it is much more likely that a human webcam model is controlling her like you suggested. The reason why you don't see that critical info in the article (the identity of the webcam model, what type of VR headset and mo-cap suit she's using, etc.) is because there is currently no reliable published material confirming it as of the time of this post. The team behind Projekt Melody has thus far been very tight-lipped about the specific technical details of her operation, but if anyone reading this comes across a reliable source that has this info, by all means please add it. Jackdude101 ^talk cont 00:17, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

All the claims in this article about the "AI" are quotes from the developers. This is a classic example of wiki's sourcing rules crating an alternate reality. The obvious reality is that a small company (that's unknown within the field of AI) didn't create sentient AI that can play a multitude of games and talk fluently. Unfortunately we need to wait for a publication to make an article before the obvious reality of the situation is mentioned on the wiki page. 89.243.153.201 (talk) 11:30, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

Some Reddit users say it's Mars Mayhem behind ProjektMelody. I can support that theory because they both have very similar voices and both have same tastes. Epinedo (talk) 16:16, 26 July 2020 (UTC)

Possible alt right links

When Projekt Melody was first criticised by webcam models, many youtube influencers from the alt right, anti-feminist, Gamergate/ Comicsgate circles have began promoting it, almost immediately afterwards. Are there any reliable sources making this connection? I believe this to be much more relevant than a fictional backstory or some nonesense trivia about a specific brand of vibrator that sounds suspiciously like an advertisement. 46.97.170.78 (talk) 11:42, 26 April 2020 (UTC)

Irrelevant trivia, blatant product placement and other stuff that have no place in an encyclopedia.

Assuming this subject is noteworthy, which I sincerely doubt, this article needs serious cleanup to be up to wikipedia standards. I deleted a paragraph containing irrelevant trivia about a fictional character that was being treated as a legitimate biography, as well as another one that was not only describing with painstaking detail an erotic "livestream" but was also a poorly disguised advertisement for a company producing sex-toys. Bullshit like this is exactly why people don't take wikipedia seriously. Stick to facts and reliable secondary sources. This is not a fanpage for your 3d anime "waifu". Save those for 4chan. 46.97.170.78 (talk) 13:05, 26 April 2020 (UTC)

@46.97.170.78: The fact that this topic has been covered by multiple reliable sources (Vice and Wired, specifically), easily establishes notability. I would not have even bothered creating this article if there were not any available. Furthermore, every piece of content in the article body has at least one reference attached to it. There is plenty of other info about this topic that is not in this article because it has not been mentioned by any sources thus far, and I have swiftly removed such content added by less experienced users. Also, simply mentioning a brand name is not an advertisement; it's simply stating a fact to outline one of the key components of a typical stream to general readers. Furthermore, the Projekt Melody character is exactly that, a character, and giving a brief description of the fictional aspects of her is perfectly fine, as long as reliable sources are cited (once again, the entire article body is 100% sourced). Because of all of this, and because I am detecting negative bias, I am going to add back the content you deleted shortly. Jackdude101 ^talk cont 23:25, 26 April 2020 (UTC)

You mentioned a brand name and your source is their own website. That is not in line with Wikipedia policies. If this subject is notable, it is due to the criticisms, the nature of it's audience and the fact that it was advertised by prominent members of the alt right.46.97.170.78 (talk) 04:07, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

@46.97.170.78: If you notice, there is one more than one source attached to that statement. The purpose of having the Lovense website attached as a source is to note that the device in question is bluetooth-enabled, which is not stated in the other source. Jackdude101 ^talk cont 11:01, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

Comments from an actual editor

I agree with our IP editor friend that the details about the vibrator Melody uses during her streams are superfluous. Rather than axing While her streams are in progress, Melody uses a Lovense Lush, a Bluetooth-enabled bullet vibrator that reacts to her donations; the type of reaction varies based on the donation amount.[5][6] She wore out two Lush vibrators by March 14, 2020, due to very high donation activity, which sometimes creates continuous vibrations for up to an hour.[5] entirely, as it demonstrates her popularity, to By March 14, 2020, she had worn out two Bluetooth-enabled bullet vibrators activated by donation due to high donation activity that sometimes created continuous vibrations for up to an hour., and keeping the citations. No more trivia or ad-like prose with this change. –♠Vami_IV†♠ 10:07, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

@Vami IV: I'm cool with that change. Also, I hope your header is not referring to me. I've been here for over a decade and have written featured content on other topics in the past. Jackdude101 ^talk cont 04:18, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

I was referring to the IP editor with the subheader. As my userpage enumerates, I am anti-IP editor. –♠Vami_IV†♠ 06:01, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

Too much focus on DigitrevX

This artile makes multiple mentions that Project Melody was designed by DigitrevX, and credits him as her creator. I beleive this should be altered, as it is inaccurate and will confuse people. DigitrevX is simply the person Melody commisioned to create the initial 3d models used in her shows. DigitrevX is not the creator of the character, and this should be credited in the sidebar to either herself or her own company which is simply called "Projekt Melody". And while there is a place to have DigitrevX credited as the designer of the 3d model, it's prominence should be reduced to avoid confusion, especially as his role within the project is now being phased out over copyright issues. Kyoraki (talk) 14:57, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

 Done @Kyoraki: DigitrevX's role has been changed in the infobox from creator to designer. He was already described as Projekt Melody's designer in the article lead and body. I should note that in those three places, the lead, the body, and the infobox, he is only mentioned once each, so the notion that he is being mentioned too much is not accurate. In regards to crediting the person portraying Projekt Melody anywhere, we would need to know her real-life name, which at present is officially unknown. Projekt Melody is indeed the character that she portrays, but if we add something that says "Projekt Melody was created by Projekt Melody", that wouldn't make sense. A character can't create itself. Lastly, do you know of any published sources (article, newsletter, etc.) related to the last piece of info you wrote about DigitrevX's role being phased out? If yes, that's something notable that ought to be added to this article. Jackdude101 ^talk cont 15:45, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

There are unfortunately no published sources as of yet, but there are plenty of statements by DigitrevX himself on the matter. Unfortunately the way he's presented the information is during various public mental breakdowns and angry ramblings, and I have reservations about accepting his version of events as reliable as a result.

Compounding the situation, there is also no public information on the name of the new company responsible for Projekt Melody's new assets since the split, and have only been referred to as "the new company". All we know is that it's heavily implied during Q&A streams is that this new company is owned by Projekt Melody herself. Kyoraki (talk) 10:15, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

Why is a Reddit user quoted in this article?

The digisexual subreddit he "moderates" is literally just his own posts. Most have no upvotes or comments. I get that he was interviewed in the Wired article but surely there must be a better source to quote. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1700:B7E0:6ED0:0:0:0:1A (talk) 20:51, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

The fact that he was mentioned and quoted in a formal, published article establishes notability and qualifies him to be included here. The main reason why he was selected for inclusion is to create a wider spectrum of opinions regarding Projekt Melody's success. Jackdude101 ^talk cont 23:50, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

I initially thought this article was written by someone that was not particularly fond of Project Melody, mostly due to the quoted Redditor comment. Though reading the talk page, it seems that my initial impression was wrong.

Still, it might technically be qualified to be here due to Wired mentioning it, but what does it actually add? As the post above says, it is just a redditor posting an opinion based on what appears to be nothing. If you believe the article is not critical enough then I am sure there are better sources criticism to be found. She does seem to be a somewhat controversial figure. BizarreDove (talk) 17:23, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

It's also worth noting that in the linked source, it is stated that xhumanist's quote was about digisexuals, not Project Melody. So the quote on the article is not actually correct. I have remove it for now. BizarreDove (talk) 12:16, 8 October 2021 (UTC)