Talk:Prepositional pronoun

Rename?

"Prepositional pronoun" is a confusing name for what is described in this article, which are inflected pronouns. "Prepositional pronoun" is widely used in the Romance languages (e.g. Spanish) to refer to special forms of the object pronouns used after prepositions (but not inflected with them). I think this page should be renamed "inflected pronoun". FilipeS 20:21, 4 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that the article should be renamed, but the standard term is "inflected preposition". The form roimhe, for example, has the same distribution as prepositional phrases of the form [ro + NP]. CapnPrep 14:45, 10 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, you're right. However, I have kind of changed my mind since I wrote that above. I think this article should keep its name, and "inflected preposition", which is a different thing from "prepositional pronoun", should be moved to an article of its own. Regards. FilipeS 15:20, 10 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Then I don't see what you are referring to with either term, but I guess I will find out eventually! "Prepositional pronoun" is a really terrible name for anything, but unfortunately it seems to be a traditional name for quite a few things. This ambiguity should of course be addressed if this article keeps its name. CapnPrep 16:24, 10 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Other uses

OK, now I get it. This could be a matter of case, I suppose (unlike the disjunctive forms we were discussing at Disjunctive case). We should link to/from Prepositional case, don't you think? But I was actually thinking about something else that I've seen called "prepositional pronouns" (Italian ne, ci, vi; French y, en; Catalan hi, en), or sometimes "adverbial pronouns". Is there an article on these somewhere? CapnPrep 00:30, 11 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Link added. Do you think the two articles should be merged? I had thought about adding some examples from French. What do you think? I don't know if there is an article about adverbial pronouns.Regards. FilipeS 15:07, 11 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Wrong example

The Russian example "Я его не вижу" (I don't see him) incorrectly states Genitive instead of Accusative, and Accusative never switches to "него". The better example would be "Его здесь нет" (He is not here) where the pronoun is indeed in Genitive. 84.245.215.40 (talk) 18:53, 7 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I changed the example because it's simpler, but the accusative does switch to "него": за него, в него, на него, etc. CapnPrep (talk) 02:30, 4 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]