Talk:Polans (eastern)

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Bilgorog vs. Belgorod

Here Belgorod has nothing to do with the city Belgorod in Russia. Now this is the village Bilogorodka near Kyiv. I removed the link. (user:AndriyK fogot to sign)

You probably mean BiloHorodka. That's correct. Please note however, regarding usage of other names that if there is an established English name for something it should be used regardless of whether it is derived from the language this or the other user likes. Drevlyane are even mentioned in Britannica as such. There were several exhaistive discussions about using names in WP when related to Ukraine. If you are interested, I will supply you with links. --Irpen 21:31, 8 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Wrong citation

The page cites the etymology of these eastern Polans with a book about the origins of Poland, which this page explicitly states not to be their home. Also, please elaborate on the difference between "western" and "eastern" because what is here now makes both tribes out to be two splinters of the same thing. Overall all this seems like some unfounded Russian national martyrology made up to justify subjugating the neighborhood, but whatever; just don't contradict yourselves. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.14.72.37 (talk) 20:43, 12 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Ethnic groups of Ukraine?

I can understand the logic in general, since the Polans represented the Slavic part of the future people of the Kyiv Rus and were those who invited the Varangians, but they disappeared as an ethnic group in the 10th century. Many centuries before the appearance of modern Ukraine or even Russia, which has become part of the future people of Rus'. With the same logic, you can call the pictes an ethnic group of Scotland or Gauls ethnic group of France. Not to mention the fact that as part of the people of Kievan Rus, Polans also composed a significant part of the Belarusian and Russians gene pool. And even the Poles. Solaire the knight (talk) 14:59, 9 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Correct. Any extinct tribes cannot possibly be ethnic groups of modern states. "History of Ukraine will do. --Altenmann >talk 22:29, 9 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your help. I wanted to change this myself, but I decided that it is better to ask, since I do not know how English-speaking science interprets such things. Solaire the knight (talk) 23:42, 9 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The idea that they invited Varangians and were considered to be the most civilized is based on a 12th-century tale. The story about the three brothers is also fictitious. There needs to be some changes to this article since a now-banned editor engaged in POV-pushing on this article and now there is no critical analysis on this. For example, previously the article said these were legendary figures. Now, this is missing. Mellk (talk) 22:41, 9 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The story of brothers and sister yes. But the so-called "calling of the Varangians" has always been more or less supported by the historians of Russia, Ukraine and so on. But I do not know so well the English language to argue about it and I am not going to do it at all. In this case, I am interested in why the ancestors of the inhabitants of Kievan Rus are indicated as residents of modern Ukraine. Solaire the knight (talk) 23:36, 9 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, it is according to tradition. This was just my suggestion for other changes that could be made. But you were right, the category was incorrect. Mellk (talk) 06:47, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]