Talk:Peter Ruckman

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The addition of a "Works" section

I'm surprised to find this article lacking a Works section listing Ruckman's books. Is there a particular reason why it's missing? I learned about Ruckman after having stumbled upon one of his books at a used bookstore. Now I know he published a huge number of books. On a side note: I'm curious to know if all his books are written in the style of the one I found, that is to say, every page is chock full of ALL CAPS words and sentences. This guy really had a chip on his shoulder! Anyways, I wanted to add the book I have to this article in a "Works" section, but thought I'd ask about it here first.

My guess is that no Wikipedian was interested in creating a list of Ruckman's self-published books. I don't know why that couldn't be done so long as the list is representative and not simply a random selection based on what might be found in a used bookstore. (And, yes, all his books are written the same way, with—as the article says—a "constant stream of invective that is to be found on nearly every page.") John Foxe (talk) 18:55, 19 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Cpetty-wiki and John Foxe: I suppose that many are called but few are chosen.[1] In all seriousness, I did my best with this; I have unfortunate experience with Ruckmanites and Ruckmanism, so I just from memory created this based on the works they seem to find most important. I also felt it important to highlight the Korean edition of the RRB, because Ruckmanism is very popular in Korea…perhaps it ha more adherents there than in America, actually. (Though I have no source for this.) Psiĥedelisto (talk • contribs) ^{please always ping!} 05:54, 10 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"Controversial"

I dislike the use of the word "controversial." It tells us nothing to say that "X is controversial even among Y" because you can use your own name for X and make Y any group with which you are associated. John Foxe (talk) 12:23, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Question for John Foxe

@John Foxe: How is everyone in every situation controversial among their [fellow] KJV-onlyists? context Psiĥedelisto (talk • contribs) ^{please always ping!} 21:55, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Everyone and everything is controversial. Pick any topic. I can legitimately describe you as controversial, and you can legitimately describe me as controversial, and nothing is communicated. Perhaps I'm being controversial in my dislike for the word controversial. John Foxe (talk) 00:40, 28 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Could you say that Ruckman was disliked by certain KJV-onlyists, citing some examples? John Foxe (talk) 00:42, 28 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

as a former kjv-onlyist I can confirm that most of them disagree with his double inspiration (KJV better than originals) stance. 174.215.208.17 (talk) 22:53, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Racism as prima facie

I altered the text on Ruckman being "an avowed racist" as it needs better sourcing. I get the "prima facie" argument, but that's essentially WP:SYNTH. And the secondary source used is not an acceptable source as it's a self-published blog (WP:SELFPUB. I'm sure White is correct, but isn't there something he legitimately published that says the same thing, something that isn't his personal blog? And then, it needs to be attributed. ButlerBlog (talk) 17:28, 22 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. Maybe I can find something more reliable. Years ago Ruckman's son (who later killed himself) tried to get the whole article taken down, and it was a pain to come up with sources that Wikipedians thought were ball-park reliable. If you're a fringe person with fringe ideas, you're most likely going to be discussed in fringe sources. John Foxe (talk) 23:32, 22 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Son's date of death

Hi all, just letting you know I changed the son's date of death from April 2016 to April 2018 per the citation. I'm making this note here because I mistakenly referenced 2016 in the linked edit note. CamachoEX (talk) 19:32, 9 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Looks like someone was misreading it (making the month/year that of Ruckman, not his son). ButlerBlog (talk) 19:51, 9 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not worth worrying about, but the coroner eventually decided that Ruckman Jr. likely killed himself on February 28. March is fine; that's when the bodies were discovered.John Foxe (talk) 00:34, 10 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]