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Why are the first two elements separated from the subsequent elements in the periods from the second to the sixth?

Julius Lothar Meyer in 1864, Charles Janet in 1928 and Vsevolod Mavrikievich Klechkovsky in 1950 completed all periods on the element of the group of alkaline earth metals. And there were no gaps in a number of elements in each period. Probably, this means that the natural (correct) ending of all periods is the s-elements of the group of alkali metals and alkaline earth metals? And the very first s-elements hydrogen and helium do not exhibit the properties of alkali metal and alkaline earth metal in a wide range of pressure and temperature. Hydrogen is more like a halogen, and helium is certainly similar to noble gases belonging to p-elements. If we end the periods on a group of alkaline earth metals, then each period will contain elements in which electrons fill strictly one shell strictly in different layers of the electron cloud of atoms. Each period contains elements in which at least one shell is filled with electrons from at least two different layers of the electron cloud of atoms. Therefore, the s-elements hydrogen and helium exhibit radically different physical and chemical properties than all other elements. And the sequence of elements in such periods, counting from the end of the period to its beginning, will be as follows: s-elements; p-elements; d-elements; f-elements. Alex makeyev (talk) 08:08, 28 November 2022 (UTC)

We see that the correct periods 2 and 3 contain 8 elements each; periods 4 and 5 contain 18 elements each; periods 6 and 7 contain 32 elements each. And before the first correct period, which contains 4 elements, there cannot be a period containing 4 chemical elements. But the tendency of the pairing of two neighboring periods in terms of the number of elements in these periods tells us that before the first period there may be an initial period in which there should be 4 elements up to the atomic levels of matter. It is logical to assume that an electrostatically neutral neutron can stand in front of hydrogen in the general Natural series of matter elements and elements of matter preceding the atoms. Dmitry Mendeleev was probably partly right when, in 1902, he suggested two hypothetical elements of the material ether, newtonium and coronium, before hydrogen. Alex makeyev (talk) 08:32, 28 November 2022 (UTC)

If you want period-doubling, it is already sorted by the Janet periodic table, where every row corresponds to one value of n + l, and the row lengths are consistently 2k². Eric Scerri likes it these days, and it is mentioned in Periodic table#Alternative periodic tables. There is no need to postulate nonexistent elements below Z = 1 for this, as Christian Jørgensen noted: The textbook series can be cut in slices finishing after helium and after each alkaline-earth atom: 1s; 2s; 2p3s; 3p4s; 3d4p4d [recte 3d4p5s]; 4d5p6s; 4f5d6p7s;... and is then called the Madelung order (Katriel and Jørgensen 1982). Each slice has an invariant sum (n + l) and starts with the lowest n compatible with the sum, and then increases n (or, if one prefers, begins with the highest l, which then decreases). It is hilarious that the 1906 idea of Rydberg is confirmed by the Madelung order without need for nebulium and coronium, but most chemists do not appreciate the series in the Periodic Table terminating with each alkaline-earth.

Period 1 is described in Periodic table#Period 1. If you want to reflect the electronics, then hydrogen belongs in group 1 (which is generally agreed anyway), and helium in group 2. The fact that they don't behave like alkali and alkaline earth metals has been explained by Scerri and others as just a normal example of the first-row anomaly: after all, nitrogen and bismuth aren't that similar either. In this article we have helium in group 18, which is the normal placement nowadays, but we mention that some chemists (who are either focused on the table's philosophy or on the chemistry of the light noble gases) would rather have it in group 2. Maybe it will be accepted as a group 2 element in the future (I think it should be there too), but till then, we reflect where almost everyone puts it.

Your suggested version with H-He-Li-Be above F-Ne-Na-Mg as the 1st period was initially suggested by Janet before he decided on H above Li and He above Be. Double sharp (talk) 11:46, 28 November 2022 (UTC)

I am well aware of "one valuel of n + l, and the string lengths are consistently equal to 2k².. Eric Skerry". But I look at the structure of the electron cloud of an atom as a microscopic spherical electric capacitor and at the same time an electrostatic and magnetic processor, the plates and electronic elements of which are the nucleus of an atom and the layers of its electron cloud. The electron cloud does not completely cover the central lining and it is also the central electronic element, so the nucleus of the atom interacts with all the shells of all layers-the plates of the electron cloud. According to the strict algorithm of this periodic law, the number of plates of this capacitor processor increases as the electrostatic charge of the atomic nucleus increases.

Hydrogen and helium are, as it were, the last two p-elements, in which the germinal p-shell is filled with electrons in the size of the single s-shell of the first layer of the electron cloud of atoms. Alex makeyev (talk) 12:58, 28 November 2022 (UTC)

Makeyev's Relativity Matrix of the Elements of Matter (MOEM) Alex makeyev (talk) 13:21, 28 November 2022 (UTC)

I look at the structure of the electron cloud of an atom as a microscopic spherical electric capacitor and at the same time an electrostatic and magnetic processor, the plates and electronic elements of which are the nucleus of an atom and the layers of its electron cloud – OK, so this is just WP:FRINGE. Have a nice day. Double sharp (talk) 13:25, 28 November 2022 (UTC)

Alex makeyev (talk) 16:07, 6 December 2022 (UTC)