Talk:Passion Conferences

Expansion

This is just a stub and needs a lot of help. Here are some sources. Akubhai 14:53, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

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I recognize that this article needs some reworking so I am hoping to come in and do some major edits here in the next few weeks. I'd like to see this article not just be a stub but become a much more rich and full article. JDaghe 22:14, 16 December 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jdaghe (talk • contribs)

Notability

All I find in references are blogs, tweets, self-published and one interview. There is a lack of independent sources, and a lack of significant coverage. --Bejnar (talk) 04:09, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

That's enough to tag the article with one of {{primary sources}}, {{self-published}} or {{third-party}}. I'll let you decide which.

That's not enough reason to question the subject's notability. Take a look at WP:BEFORE and see if you can find sources to help resolve potential problems. Walter Görlitz (talk) 04:35, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

Currently the article fails WP:GNG and WP:ORG. There has been insufficient coverage in independent reliable sources in the seventeen years of their existence. Most all of the references in the article are to blogs, tweets, or related sources. As "Passion Conferences" is connected with the Southern Baptist Convention, sources like their press releases at bpnews.net are related sources. the remaining sources are primary (their registration in Georgia) or incidental mention in CD releases. The newspaper coverage mentioned in the previous AFD was incidental coverage of local events, and not in depth. In fact there was nothing particular in it to cite to in the article. There is some coverage in Christian newsletters (such as Christian Post and cbn.com) which provides verifiability, but not notability. As the WP:ORG guideline says: attention solely from local media, or media of limited interest and circulation, is not an indication of notability. Coverage outside the Christian newsletters contiues to be incidental with such mentions as that in the Boise Weekly of The issue of human trafficking struck a chord with Atlas while he was attending a Passion Conference in Atlanta. That's when, after an afternoon of social-media training seminars for service and community-conscious millennials, a speaker told those in attendance to put down their cellphones and listen as a young woman took the stage and told her story about her experience with human trafficking. He said he responded to her testimony viscerally. The 2012 book Passion Conferences is not a reliable source as it is self-published and is a "realted source". There was an interview in 2009 with Louis Giglio in Christianity Today, but interviews are not generally considered to be reliable sources, and as the WP:ORG guideline says, in depth coverage does not include quotations from an organization's personnel as story sources. Lastly, as it says in the WP:ORG guideine An organization is not notable merely because a notable person or event was associated with it. There does seem to be some brief coverage in books, God on Campus: Sacred Causes & Global EffectGod on Campus: Sacred Causes & Global Effects page 158, Worship Through the Ages (2012) page 351, in the "Chris Tomlin" article in Encyclopedia of Contemporary Christian Music: Pop, Rock, and Worship page 441, and in The Missionary Call: Find Your Place in God's Plan For the World (2008) pages 73-74. Whether those few paragraphs constitute "in depth coverage" I'll leave up to you. Collin Hansen's Young, Restless, Reformed: A Journalist's Journey with the New Calvinists (2008) may provide the most in depth coverage pages 12–26, but I do not have access to a copy. As it is currently constituted, the article fails. If you believe the article has merit, remove the unreliable sources and replace them with reliable ones. --Bejnar (talk) 05:16, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

WP:GNG is not for articles, it's for subjects. In other words, notability does not depend on the references presently within the article, but on references that exist. In any case, I think that the Hansen source does provide notability - he devotes a whole chapter to the Passion Conferences. StAnselm (talk) 07:46, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

Agree with StAnselm. You're looking at the state of the article rather than the underlying subject. The subject clearly meets notability guidelines but the state of the article is poor. Walter Görlitz (talk) 13:35, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

Recent Updates

Walter Görlitz, I made some changes to this article today that you reverted. I wasn't changing the information, I was just trying to clean up the general design to make the article look better. You reverted these edits because the templates were not fully correct. I apologize for this, but being a relatively new user to wikipedia, I am still learning how to get the templates exactly right. It was never my intention to post incorrect templates, and I appreciate your dedication to making sure the content is correct. If possible, can you edit the template to fix it (such as removing the multiple dates I accidentally left in there today) without simply reverting the updated and hopefully better looking template? JDaghe 05:33, 20 December 2014 (UTC)

Sorry. I should have been more precise in the edits. All were unexplained. Most were good. This was a big problem adding {{Use Australian English}} and {{Use dmy dates}} and coordinates (for what?). Let me fix that. Done. Walter Görlitz (talk) 07:04, 20 December 2014 (UTC)

Simplify touring section

The Passion tours should be simplified to the date range for the year and then the venues visited. Exact dates are not necessary for the general article, and would require more substantial sources than what has been provided. -AngusWOOF (talk) 11:34, 1 January 2015 (UTC)

AngusWOOF so are you suggesting for the world tours that we should put like Stockholm, Sweden (May, 2008) instead of the exact date? And we can definitely work on looking up the venues visited. JDaghe 22:31, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

That depends on the size and references. If you want to go all out and do something like The_Beyoncé_Experience, that's fine, or you can shorten it to a listing like List of Beyoncé live performances. I was thinking it would be more like the latter where each entry would have a list of locations visited in a paragraph. -AngusWOOF (talk) 18:10, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

Worship + Justice section improvement

Walter Görlitz why was the currently added section on Worship + Justice edited down to a smaller paragraph? There was some pertinent information in the three paragraphs connecting this idea of Worship + Justice with Passion Conferences such as Do Something Now and the different expressions over the years. Also it is probably important to show the partnership with different organizations such as The A21 Campaign and IJM as well as showing the current partnership with END IT Movement. Also, I think the idea that there are 27 million slaves in the world still is something credible and worth mentioning! [5]. Finally, I know that wikipedia has protocol on the capitalization for headers, but "Worship + Justice" is the proper noun and therefore shouldn't be changed if possible! Thanks! JDaghe 16:44, 14 January 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jdaghe (talk • contribs)

Not because the pertinent ideas were removed but because it was overkill, supported primarily with primary sources and unnecessary. But "Throughout the history of Passion Conferences" isn't really supported. Since "Worship + Justice" is a term, it should be identified as one. I just made that change. I removed specifics to avoid clutter, besides, "Do Something Now" was also a 1986 song for compassionate aid in Africa. It's best to use neutral wording rather than editorializing, and there was a lot of that.

On a separate note, as a single-purpose editor that focuses on Passion-related subjects, you wouldn't happen to be in a conflict of interest would you? Walter Görlitz (talk) 05:09, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

My only purpose within working on this page is to to produce a neutral, reliably sourced encyclopedia as so desired, and in doing so, I am aiming to make the Passion Conferences page better. I have not included anything in my posts that any other random user would have posted, nor have I inclined to promoting Passion any further than is necessary to be reliable and fair. I am a single purpose editor because I don't have a lot of time to work on other articles. I have chosen to start with something that is important to me. Do you have any connection with Passion Conferences to be so knowledgeable in the changes you have been making? JDaghe 19:45, 20 January 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jdaghe (talk • contribs)

You didn't answer the question. Are you associated with the conferences or those who organize it? I have no affiliation with the conferences and am simply a Wikipedian. Walter Görlitz (talk) 07:40, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

I went to the conferences throughout college and really enjoyed them. I've been around Passion City Church for a while and so I know about the Conference. None of that changes the fact that all of my edits have been purely editorial and non-promoting for the conferences.JDaghe 14:17, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

They're also verbose and mainly unreferenced. Usually a Wikipedian edits more than one article while WP:SPAs have a special interest in a subject. Walter Görlitz (talk) 15:16, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

I'll work on being more concise in my edits then and when I get a little bit more time, I'll most certainly make more edits on different articles. I didn't know the rules of being a Wikipedian so being new to this, I simply started on something that I was passionate about and something that I saw as having a need! Thanks for the advice! JDaghe 15:44, 21 January 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jdaghe (talk • contribs)

New articles?

Hey, I've been considerably expanding this article. I think Passion (music) should have its owwn article, or at least Passion's discography should have its own article. Just putting it out there. Currently Passion discography redirects to another artist, which I find a lot less notable than this artist, anyone else think that it should at least redirect here? Also before anyone asks, no, I'm not affiliated with Passion Conferences in any way, I just love their music. (oh and also, I think this article shouldn't be listed as a stub no more...) Awsomaw (talk) 21:15, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

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