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Article section biased in favor of European Art

Art covers sketching, crafts, drawings, wall carving, stone carving, etc. Although Africa has the world's oldest art, the Wikipedia article lists the painting from the Grotte Chauvet in France first in the history section. This is academic racism. If an article about the history of technology first listed Mac Computers before even mentioning the invention of the Wheel, etc, possibly more editors would see the inherent academic dishonesty. Yes Apple/Mac makes computers, but computers are only one item under the category Technology, similarly, painting is one item under the category art. --2604:2000:DDD1:4900:F85B:9E68:E297:A5F5 (talk) 19:50, 18 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

While I agree that coverage of African art is poor, we can only go by available sources. The sources say that Grotte Chauvet is the oldest known painting. However, it is incorrect to label that as "European" as no such place existed at that time. The earliest humans in what is now Europe in fact migrated from Africa, so in a sense, the earliest painting is African in origin. freshacconci (✉) 20:15, 18 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Also note that this is an article on a specific form of art i.e. painting not art in the broader sense. So your comment seems a bit off topic here (or to follow your metaphor: why would it be essential to mention the invention of the wheel in an article that limits itself to computers?) The same section, by the way continues, stating that while no older paintings are known, there is older evidence in the form of ochre of the act of painting in Australia predating Chauvet by about 28,000 yrs. Arnoutf (talk) 06:36, 19 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Article claims music is abstract; Is this true?

There is a passage under the heading of "rhythm":

"Music was important to the birth of abstract art since music is abstract by nature—it does not try to represent the exterior world, but expresses in an immediate way the inner feelings of the soul."

How verifiable is this claim? Loopitywoop (talk) 19:07, 22 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]