Talk:One Astor Plaza

One Astor Plaza has been listed as one of the Art and architecture good articles under the good article criteria. If you can improve it further, please do so. If it no longer meets these criteria, you can reassess it.
Review: June 10, 2022. (Reviewed version).

A fact from One Astor Plaza appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 6 March 2022 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that the framework of One Astor Plaza was "a humdinger of an engineering feat" because it was built over the Minskoff Theatre (pictured)?

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Reference for Loews Astor Plaza's closing (and history thereof)

Coming Soon: The End; New York's Largest Single-Screen Theater Is Closing

NYTimes.com: JULY 15, 2004: Coming Soon: The End; New York's Largest Single-Screen Theater Is Closing

https://www.nytimes.com/2004/07/15/nyregion/coming-soon-the-end-new-york-s-largest-single-screen-theater-is-closing.html

--CmdrDan (talk) 21:42, 17 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Theleekycauldron (talk) 08:36, 25 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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The Minskoff Theatre at One Astor Plaza

... that the developers of One Astor Plaza added the Minskoff Theatre (pictured) to their project after first advocating against it to New York City mayor John Lindsay? Source: Stern, Robert A. M.; Mellins, Thomas; Fishman, David (1995). New York 1960: Architecture and Urbanism Between the Second World War and the Bicentennial. New York: Monacelli Press. p. 444.
- ALT1: ... that the developers of New York City's One Astor Plaza added the Minskoff Theatre (pictured) as "our way of paying the city back", despite first coming out against it? Source: Andelman, David A. (June 21, 1970). "Web of Steel Holds Fate Of the Stage". The New York Times
- ALT2: ... that the framework of One Astor Plaza was "a humdinger of an engineering feat" because it was built over the Minskoff Theatre (pictured)? Source: Andelman, David A. (June 21, 1970). "Web of Steel Holds Fate Of the Stage". The New York Times.
- ALT3: ... that the framework of One Astor Plaza is carried over the Minskoff Theatre (pictured) using the heaviest girders ever built at the time of its construction? Source: Andelman, David A. (June 21, 1970). "Web of Steel Holds Fate Of the Stage". The New York Times.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Queen's graph, Template:Did you know nominations/1978 New York City newspaper strike
- Comment: I can come up with individual hook suggestions, or additional combo hooks.

5x expanded by Epicgenius (talk). Self-nominated at 14:07, 9 February 2022 (UTC).[reply]

LGTM other than the required QPQ (ping back when that's done). Both articles are acceptably cited, no concerns on article quality. 5x expansion confirmed (more like a 10x expansion for One Astor Plaza); the Minskoff expansion seems to have begun on 19 January, but it's fine, basically a rounding error in a dual-nom, and it was clearly also expanded on February 8. Prefer ALT2, followed by ALT3; both are verified in the source. Do not agree with ALT1 (in context, it's clear that this was NOT a charitable gift, but rather part of a negotiation with Mayor Lindsay, and the developers received permission for more floors as a result). Original hook is too boring - developer changes their mind? Not a big deal. Image is freely licensed. The DYK reviewing guide claims that the image will appear at 100x100 resolution but that clearly seems false checking the front page today, so good to go (if it really was appearing at 100x100, then we'd need a crop to make it less rectangular - but no big deal since it won't.). Alt text not required, caption is sufficient.
(While here though, one minor nitpick: Any particular reason the old "PlayStation Theater" name is used as a section title, if it was since renamed Palladium? Granted, thanks to Covid, probably nobody knows or uses the new name, but still...) SnowFire (talk) 16:58, 16 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- @SnowFire: Thanks for the review. I've done two QPQs now and changed the header for the PlayStation Theater section to Palladium Times Square in the One Astor Plaza page. Regarding the expansions, though, I excluded the byte sizes of the references when calculating expansion as per WP:DYKCRIT#long. So when I appeared to have expanded the Minskoff Theatre page back in January, all of these were reference additions, and I didn't modify the prose size at all. User:Shubinator/DYKcheck gives me "Prose size (text only): 15683 characters (2531 words) "readable prose size"; Article created by Arcadian on March 15, 2006; Assuming article is at 5x now, expansion began 5 edits ago on February 9, 2022". (I added a few bytes to the list of productions, but that should not count toward prose expansion, anyway.) Epicgenius (talk) 14:15, 17 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  - Ah, good point. I'd have approved even if the expansion in January had been prose, to be clear - the time limit (should) be fuzzier for dual noms. But a moot point since it qualifies even under a stricter view. SnowFire (talk) 14:42, 17 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Good to go. SnowFire (talk) 14:42, 17 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

ALT2 to T:DYK/P7

2010 car bombing

I do not think the 2010 Times Square car bombing attempt needs its own subsection, as it was defused before any damage was done and doesn't necessarily involve the building itself. I removed a top-level section about this subject in January, citing the policy WP:NOTNEWS, since the attempted bombing occurred 12 years ago.

Today, an IP editor re-added the section. I think the re-addition is coincidental since the text is substantially different than what was removed in January. I removed the subsection but was reverted. I still do not believe the subject needs its own subsection or section, per WP:NOTNEWS, but I do see the point of including a sentence or two about it. – Epicgenius (talk) 15:19, 5 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:One Astor Plaza/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: MaxnaCarta (talk · contribs) 03:09, 6 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Epicgenius, you are very close to having this article pass GA. I just have some notes here, please let me know when done.

Please run [this script] and fix some of the duplicate links per MOS:DUPLINK. Some examples are Broadway, Palladium Times Square, Minskoff Theatre, Ben Schlanger, Sam Minskoff and Sons.
Reference 99 has pp 721,722. Now as a lawyer in Australia, this is actually correct for my citation style. 721-722 is however I think the MOS here? Please check and get back to me on if you think this complies.
I have had some feedback that the article is technical, but I think it is fine myself. If you think there are any areas you could make your language read more easily, please fix these.

Thanks Epicgenius, it has so far been a real pleasure making your article my very first GA review. I appreciate your patience while I sought some assistance from an experienced reviewer. Looking forward to passing this for you. MaxnaCarta (talk) 10:10, 9 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Epicgenius please can you confirm you are aware of this feedback? And ETA on when it can be addressed? Thanks! MaxnaCarta (talk) 08:15, 10 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Epicgenius in the interests of closing this off, I made the adjustments myself but please do continue to watch the article and improve it so that one day perhaps it can reached featured status. Congratulations! it will be listed as GA shortly.

@MaxnaCarta: Thanks for the review. Unfortunately I didn't see the feedback until you pinged me (since I received the ping at about 4:00 am NYC time, I didn't see it until now). I think your changes are all good. Epicgenius (talk) 13:08, 10 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Epicgenius all good, I’m in Australia. Nice to meet you. MaxnaCarta (talk) 19:49, 10 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Criteria

GA Criteria

GA Criteria:

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1.a Y - Prose is very well written and clear to understand. No issues with spelling or grammar.

1.b Y - Good lead section. Layout makes sense. Excellent compliance with MOS.
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2.a Y - References are presented in accordance with the layout style guideline.

2.b Y - Citations are from reliable sources. Nothing controversial that could be challenged, and claims are consistently sourced.

2.c Y - No original research. Very well and consistently sourced.

2.d - Y - Copyvio report shows no concerns
3
3.a Y

3.b Y
4
4.a Y
5
5.a - Y
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6.a - Y - primary photo taken and uploaded by nominator. Other images all have an appropriate CC licence.

6.b Y
No DAB links Y
No Dead links Y - all links are live.

Overall pass Y