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Mackintosh, Eliza; Mezzofiore, Gianluca; Polglase, Katie; Goodwin, Allegra; Brown, Benjamin; Rebane, Teele; Oliver, Mark; Pettersson, Henrik; Manley, Byron (October 14, 2023). "How a rave celebrating life turned into a frenzied massacre". CNN. Retrieved October 14, 2023.

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Hamas is a terrorist organization. Not a militant group. Get facts straight before you provide that on Wikipedia. 50.113.64.203 (talk) 05:10, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not done Wikipedia uses an impartial tone to describe things as they are reported in reliable sources. "Militant group" is an accepted term, while "terrorist organization" is more contentious and should be avoided. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 06:38, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Woke nonsense. Youre basically saying, "This term hurts my feelings so don't say it." Some things in life are contentious and uncomfortable and avoiding them is the opposite of what you should do. Hamas IS a terrorist organization and this is the general consensus of the majority of the population. Why would you even think of contesting that unless you support them yourself? Dethgryp (talk) 15:39, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

See One man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter. The Mountain of Eden (talk) 00:17, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This logic only applies if they are falsely accused. When 9 out of 10 people across the world consider you a terrorist organization because of your actions, then the "nuh uh no im not" argument no longer holds weight. If you steal an apple and claim youre not a thief, that doesnt make it so. Attacking a concert full of peaceful civilian is not "freedom fighting." Dethgryp (talk) 00:27, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I like that stealing apple example. The person who steals an apple does not get the label of "thief" until a court has convicted the person of the crime of stealing the apple. Unfortunately there is no authority to convict Hamas of terrorism.

Additionally, your 9 out of 10 might not apply in this particular case. According to this map, the majority of the world does not think Hamas are terrorists. The Mountain of Eden (talk) 00:34, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

We both know thats incredibly false. Once someone is accused of and labeled something, it tends to follow them for their entire lives even if they are never convicted of the crime. It happens everyday, especially with todays cancel culture. Dethgryp (talk) 15:30, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Lol "according to this map that has zero context." What a joke. Dethgryp (talk) 15:31, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nova music festival relocated and rescheduled

The Nova music festival was originally scheduled on oct 6th and on a different location. Due to „unforeseen challenges and infrastructure challenges „ the festival was relocated and extended for one day, to oct. 7th. 178.197.223.150 (talk) 08:04, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The following text already exists in the article:

"the festival was originally approved for only two days, and was not approved for a third day (which was the day of the massacre) until the day before the festival began"

Is there anything that is inaccurate or missing that needs to be modified? If so, how? The Mountain of Eden (talk) 15:03, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Excessive citations

Citation bombing (overkill), you cannot add credibility without adding information in first paragraph. Ref 5,6,8,9 don't add anything to the first paragraph. Exutic (talk) 19:58, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hannibal directive

There were reports by israeli news sources and even israel witnesses describing being attacked by Israeli forces. That being said in the section "Palestinian statements" this should be mentioned, not necessarily saying Israel did attack it's people but to give fairness to the statement made by the PA Mauzer's random BS (talk) 20:41, 22 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Can you be more specific? The Hannibal directive is already mentioned in the article, in the specific section that you said it should be mentioned. --The Mountain of Eden (talk) 21:09, 22 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Just because the PA made a (completely unfounded) statement does not mean that it should be given any prominence in a Wikipedia article. The president of the PA also wrote a pseudo history doctorate on the Holocaust which (fortunately) is not used as a basis of fact. Île flottante (talk) 06:33, 23 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure why you don't think that this is encyclopedic information. The article says that the PA made some assertion on the matter, Israel refuted it, and then (for whatever reason) the US spoke on the PA's behalf to say that "they didn't mean it" (paraphrasing here). Why would that not be encyclopedic? --The Mountain of Eden (talk) 06:45, 23 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Giving the allegation further prominence, as the first editor suggested, would give undue credence to the ludicrous claim that the so called Hannibal directive was in force on 7 October 2023, as it would make the matter seem like a contrast of (equally) valid opinions, which is clearly not the case Île flottante (talk) 07:00, 23 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

We can't just ignore and pretend it (the PA's assertion) didn't happen. --The Mountain of Eden (talk) 07:26, 23 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]