Talk:Michéal Castaldo
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Notability
[edit]As it now stands, this article does not demonstrate that the subject is notable. As such, it should be deleted. To be notable, an artist must meet one of the criteria discussed at WP:MUSIC. I see no indication of this. I'll give it a couple of days, then -- assuming there is no meaningful change -- I'll put it up for deletion. - SummerPhD (talk) 17:50, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
- Thank you so much for paying attention. as far as I'm concerned, Castaldo "has received non-trivial coverage in independent reliable sources of an international concert tour, or a national concert tour in at least one sovereign country." you can take a look at his performance schedule and touring dates at his website: http://www.michealcastaldo.com/tour.html also, the Press section on his website is showing that he has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works appearing in sources that are reliable and are independent from the musician or ensemble itself. http://www.michealcastaldo.com/press.html thanks ;-) --alireza5166 18:53, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
- If he has received non-trivial coverage (for anything) it needs to be added to the article as it sure isn't there now. - SummerPhD (talk) 20:57, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
- I'll try to find sources for them, But I think the fact that he has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works appearing in sources that are reliable and are independent from the musician would be sufficient, right? --alireza5166 11:46, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
- Yes, as he doesn't seem to fit in under other criteria, it's all about significant coverage in independent reliable sources. The current sources don't cut it.
- 1 is a booking site for Castaldo. Clearly not independent of the subject.
- 2 is Castaldo's own site. Not independent.
- 3 is youtube. Apparently posted by Castaldo or his representation. If so: not independent. If not, likely a copyright violation.
- 4, insidetoronto.com is part of Toronto Community News, publisher of various neighborhood newspapers. I don't know how reliable it is, but it's essentially hometown news coverage, seldom indicative of notability.
- 5 is Castaldo's own site. Not independent.
- 6 is Castaldo's own site. Not independent.
- 7 is Castaldo's company's site. Not independent.
- 8 is Castaldo's posting to a Miata fansite. Not independent.
- 9 is Castaldo's foundation's site. Not independent.
- 10 is Castaldo's rental villa's site. Not independent.
- 11 is Castaldo's own site. Not independent.
- 12 - 19 demonstrate Castaldo has songs for sale. Trivial coverage and not an indication of notability.
- If there is significant coverage in independent reliable sources, it is not in the article. - SummerPhD (talk) 13:50, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
- I wasn't talking about the references that were used in the article. I referred you to the press section of his official website :-) --alireza5166 14:50, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
- The press section might have material in in that can satisfy our requirements. However, we need those sources to be cited in the article. Checking through the section in question, it's a bit of a mess. The five images at the top link to images of clippings from unknown sources. Some don't seem to have anything to do with Castaldo, some are completely illegible. In any case, without knowing the source of the clippings, we can't verify/use them. Going to the list of links below, I checked a handful. In addition to broken links and seemingly misdirected links (example), I again find some articles that don't seem to mention Castaldo (example). In fact, it has a link labeled "Wikipedia", which (inexplicably) links to Con te partirò. We need cites of substantial coverage in independent reliable sources. - SummerPhD (talk) 16:19, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
- thanks for looking at that page. Is it possible for you to mention the sources in that page that are acceptable to use here?--alireza5166 17:33, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
- There's simply too much garbage there (broken links, stories that don't mention Castaldo, stuff hosted on the Castaldo website without a traceable cite, etc.) for me to bother looking at all of them. Looking at the few sources whose names (to me) seem to indicate they might be reliable, I've found virtually nothing of any use. He was one of five "headliners" at a street festival in Clarksburg, WV? So what. He was one of a gajillion donors to Berklee's fund drive. So what? And so on. I'll do a brief independent search at some point. If I find anything useful, I'll add it. If I don't and no one else adds anything, I'll send it to AfD for deletion or rescue. - SummerPhD (talk) 18:45, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
- I did a few searches and found squat. Google news came up with ONE hit, the local paper's website already discussed. Digging through the standard Google hits, I find the usual: Facebook, blogs, promotional efforts, etc. I do not find any evidence of notability. Off to AfD to see if anyone else can find anything. - SummerPhD (talk) 05:15, 24 September 2011 (UTC)
- I found out that he was one of the winners of the first Abe Olman award (BMI recipient) dating way back to 1988. Currently, it's not on their website but they'll put it there in the middle of the next week. --alireza5166 09:02, 24 September 2011 (UTC)
- (How did you "find out" what they are going to add to their website next week?) Presumably, this is "Has won or been nominated for a major music award, such as a Grammy, Juno, Mercury, Choice or Grammis award." I probably ran across this on Castaldo's linkedin profile, mixed in with his "Toronto Wrestling Champion" and "New York Times - #1 Sales Manager". The list seemingly includes anything that can conceivably be called an "award", including "Track 'n Field 1st place '74" -- when Castaldo was 12 years old. In short, I find no independent coverage of this and no indication that it is a "major music award". - SummerPhD (talk) 13:55, 24 September 2011 (UTC)
- I think the Abe Olman Award (song writers hall of fame) would be considered as a "major music competition", right?--alireza5166 14:29, 24 September 2011 (UTC)
- IMO, a "major competition" would be a) major, in that there would be independent coverage about the awards each year (much as newspapers report the winners of Grammy awards each year) and b) part of a competition. I know nothing about this particular award, but I don't really see a "competition" as being part of it in any of the scattered mentions I find. Back to how you know what their page is "going to add next week": Currently, they list another person entirely as winning that year and the site does not contain "Castaldo" anywhere... - SummerPhD (talk) 14:41, 24 September 2011 (UTC)
- Well, we are not talking about personal opinions here. For example, Eli Mattson has an article on wiki only because he was a runner up on AGT's season 3, and he deserves it. this is the same case (though AGT is not a major music competition). the link that have put here is redirecting to Abe Olman publishers award. this is the correct link: http://songhall.org/scholarships/archive/ and this is a newspaper page about the winners of that year: http://up6.iranblog.com/images/wl25ytet03bo853705.jpg --alireza5166 15:26, 24 September 2011 (UTC)
- Yes, the Eli Mattson article is a mess. There are problems with other articles. We're discussing this article and whether or not it meets our notability requirements. I feel it does not. If you disagree, the AfD linked at the top of the article is the place to discuss this. Please cite policies and guidelines for best effect. America's Got Talent, while perhaps lowbrow, is A) notable ("major") and B) a competition. The Abe Olman publishers award is, apparently, neither. The first link, where your crystal ball tells you Castaldo will be added next week, tells us the award exists. The second link tells us the organization behind the award thinks the award is notable. If the American Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences was the only source publishing the results of the Oscars, the Oscars would not be notable. However, numerous reliable sources provide considerable coverage on the Oscars every year. It is notable. The Abe Olman publishers award, as near as I can tell, is ignored by major sources. To prove the award is a major competition, you need to demonstrate it is major and a competition. It does not seem to be either one. - SummerPhD (talk) 02:11, 25 September 2011 (UTC)
- Apart from all of these, he had written and produced "Goin' Krazy" that Jose Feliciano recorded in 1994, it went on bilboard chartsbooks.google see page 328books.google see page 27also he has been placed in rotation nationally by any major radio network. CHIN is a major multicultural radio station in Toronto, Canada. they play Italian songs 24/7. they have been playing his songs in rotation regularly for the past year http://chinradio.com/chin-radio/some other billboard success:http://books.google.com/http://books.google.com/ and to understand the significance of the Abe Olman award see this links: http://books.google.com http://books.google.com/http://books.google.comhttp://books.google.com/http://books.google.com--alireza5166 03:33, 25 September 2011 (UTC)
- At the end of the day, no subject is notable without significant coverage in independent reliable sources, which we still do not have. Again, this article is being discussed for possible deletion on AfD. When you have a policy/guideline-based reason for keeping the article, please MAKE SURE IT IS REFLECTED IN THE ARTICLE and take the claim to AfD.
- (As for your newest arguments:
- "Goin' Krazy" seems to have briefly registered on a dance chart. If this had been Castaldo's recording (it was not) it would be a very weak argument for a keep.
- Your next argument spells out its own failure, "...in rotation nationally by any major radio network. CHIN is a major multicultural radio station...".
- The final list of links do not point to "the significance of the Abe Olman award". The first one mentions one award winner, the second link has a photo that includes Castaldo among others, as does the third, the fourth is a book that includes a small print caption indicating Castaldo co-wrote music for lyrics being discussed, the final one shows Castaldo produced a single that, um, exists. None of this indicates notability. In fact, if Castaldo's article survives AfD, the last one would be a valid source for a fairly trivial detail and the rest would be useless.) - SummerPhD (talk) 04:24, 25 September 2011 (UTC)
- Apart from all of these, he had written and produced "Goin' Krazy" that Jose Feliciano recorded in 1994, it went on bilboard chartsbooks.google see page 328books.google see page 27also he has been placed in rotation nationally by any major radio network. CHIN is a major multicultural radio station in Toronto, Canada. they play Italian songs 24/7. they have been playing his songs in rotation regularly for the past year http://chinradio.com/chin-radio/some other billboard success:http://books.google.com/http://books.google.com/ and to understand the significance of the Abe Olman award see this links: http://books.google.com http://books.google.com/http://books.google.comhttp://books.google.com/http://books.google.com--alireza5166 03:33, 25 September 2011 (UTC)
- Yes, the Eli Mattson article is a mess. There are problems with other articles. We're discussing this article and whether or not it meets our notability requirements. I feel it does not. If you disagree, the AfD linked at the top of the article is the place to discuss this. Please cite policies and guidelines for best effect. America's Got Talent, while perhaps lowbrow, is A) notable ("major") and B) a competition. The Abe Olman publishers award is, apparently, neither. The first link, where your crystal ball tells you Castaldo will be added next week, tells us the award exists. The second link tells us the organization behind the award thinks the award is notable. If the American Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences was the only source publishing the results of the Oscars, the Oscars would not be notable. However, numerous reliable sources provide considerable coverage on the Oscars every year. It is notable. The Abe Olman publishers award, as near as I can tell, is ignored by major sources. To prove the award is a major competition, you need to demonstrate it is major and a competition. It does not seem to be either one. - SummerPhD (talk) 02:11, 25 September 2011 (UTC)
- Well, we are not talking about personal opinions here. For example, Eli Mattson has an article on wiki only because he was a runner up on AGT's season 3, and he deserves it. this is the same case (though AGT is not a major music competition). the link that have put here is redirecting to Abe Olman publishers award. this is the correct link: http://songhall.org/scholarships/archive/ and this is a newspaper page about the winners of that year: http://up6.iranblog.com/images/wl25ytet03bo853705.jpg --alireza5166 15:26, 24 September 2011 (UTC)
- IMO, a "major competition" would be a) major, in that there would be independent coverage about the awards each year (much as newspapers report the winners of Grammy awards each year) and b) part of a competition. I know nothing about this particular award, but I don't really see a "competition" as being part of it in any of the scattered mentions I find. Back to how you know what their page is "going to add next week": Currently, they list another person entirely as winning that year and the site does not contain "Castaldo" anywhere... - SummerPhD (talk) 14:41, 24 September 2011 (UTC)
- I think the Abe Olman Award (song writers hall of fame) would be considered as a "major music competition", right?--alireza5166 14:29, 24 September 2011 (UTC)
- (How did you "find out" what they are going to add to their website next week?) Presumably, this is "Has won or been nominated for a major music award, such as a Grammy, Juno, Mercury, Choice or Grammis award." I probably ran across this on Castaldo's linkedin profile, mixed in with his "Toronto Wrestling Champion" and "New York Times - #1 Sales Manager". The list seemingly includes anything that can conceivably be called an "award", including "Track 'n Field 1st place '74" -- when Castaldo was 12 years old. In short, I find no independent coverage of this and no indication that it is a "major music award". - SummerPhD (talk) 13:55, 24 September 2011 (UTC)
- I found out that he was one of the winners of the first Abe Olman award (BMI recipient) dating way back to 1988. Currently, it's not on their website but they'll put it there in the middle of the next week. --alireza5166 09:02, 24 September 2011 (UTC)
- I did a few searches and found squat. Google news came up with ONE hit, the local paper's website already discussed. Digging through the standard Google hits, I find the usual: Facebook, blogs, promotional efforts, etc. I do not find any evidence of notability. Off to AfD to see if anyone else can find anything. - SummerPhD (talk) 05:15, 24 September 2011 (UTC)
- There's simply too much garbage there (broken links, stories that don't mention Castaldo, stuff hosted on the Castaldo website without a traceable cite, etc.) for me to bother looking at all of them. Looking at the few sources whose names (to me) seem to indicate they might be reliable, I've found virtually nothing of any use. He was one of five "headliners" at a street festival in Clarksburg, WV? So what. He was one of a gajillion donors to Berklee's fund drive. So what? And so on. I'll do a brief independent search at some point. If I find anything useful, I'll add it. If I don't and no one else adds anything, I'll send it to AfD for deletion or rescue. - SummerPhD (talk) 18:45, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
- thanks for looking at that page. Is it possible for you to mention the sources in that page that are acceptable to use here?--alireza5166 17:33, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
- The press section might have material in in that can satisfy our requirements. However, we need those sources to be cited in the article. Checking through the section in question, it's a bit of a mess. The five images at the top link to images of clippings from unknown sources. Some don't seem to have anything to do with Castaldo, some are completely illegible. In any case, without knowing the source of the clippings, we can't verify/use them. Going to the list of links below, I checked a handful. In addition to broken links and seemingly misdirected links (example), I again find some articles that don't seem to mention Castaldo (example). In fact, it has a link labeled "Wikipedia", which (inexplicably) links to Con te partirò. We need cites of substantial coverage in independent reliable sources. - SummerPhD (talk) 16:19, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
- I wasn't talking about the references that were used in the article. I referred you to the press section of his official website :-) --alireza5166 14:50, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
- I'll try to find sources for them, But I think the fact that he has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works appearing in sources that are reliable and are independent from the musician would be sufficient, right? --alireza5166 11:46, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
- If he has received non-trivial coverage (for anything) it needs to be added to the article as it sure isn't there now. - SummerPhD (talk) 20:57, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
Amazon.com sales charts
[edit]Per WP:BADCHARTS, "Charts pertaining to only one specific retailer should not be used." I've removed this several times with an explanatory edit summary. Prior to undoing all or part of another user's edit(s), kindly review the accompanying edit summary. Thanks. - SummerPhD (talk) 16:38, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
- But a reference to amazon.com is put here without any discussion! : http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Prelude_to_a_Dream --alireza5166 16:47, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
- Yes, there are problems with other articles. Feel free to fix them. - SummerPhD (talk) 16:56, 23 September 2011 (UTC)