Talk:Maharaja

Maharaja or Maharajah

The english-UK dictionary suggests the word Maharajah. Which one is correct?--Anupamsr 16:13, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

"Maharaja" is more common in India. I've never seen "Maharajah" used anywhere here. Lightbluerain❄ (Talk | contribs) 17:22, 7 June 2020 (UTC)

Board game

There is a board game by this title right? Mathiastck 16:45, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Maharaja Board Game Mathiastck 16:20, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Grammar edit

In decomposing the compound mahārāja, the introduction was inconsistent in using the stem form rājan for the posterior member of the compound and the irregular non-stem form mahā for the prior member. I've changed the latter to mahānt, which is the strong stem, to keep things consistent. Gokulmadhavan 19:39, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Merge Maharaja with Maharaj ?

• Disagree: The terms are homonyms but not synonyms. This is exactly why they should be separate articles.Holkar 02:20, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
• Disagree: The terms are homophones, not even true homonyms, but more to the point indeed not at all synonymous Arcarius 06:51, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Sexism

"Maharani" redirects to this page, and while it defines the term, there is no mention of any notable Maharanis in history. And please note that "a woman ruling in her own right" would be notable on that standing alone.

I'd add the information if I knew it, but that's why I'm here. 24.86.88.24 (talk) 08:22, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Titles not abolished

The successful entry of several prominent princes and members of their families did not always endear them to the governments of democratic India. Eventually, the government of Mrs Gandhi tired of their increasing involvement in opposition politics and sought to curb their influence. The abolition of the privy purses, guaranteed by the Indian Constitution and the elimination of the princely order itself, became the policy of the Congress party. After a year-long battle, this was finally achieved by an amendment to the Constitution at the end of 1971. Although some parties have attempted to portray the constitutional changes as an abolition of the princely order, this does not appear to be the legal position. The changes merely removed official recognition of the position of "ruler", as defined by the 1950 Constitution, and enabled the ending of privy-purse payments. The amendments did not touch upon any aspects of the treaties and engagements made during the accession of the princely states, nor did they even address the matter of rights to styles and titles. Since then, there have been a number of decisions and cases of the Supreme Court of India, where the court itself has continued to use the styles and titles enjoyed by the princes, the nobility and members of their families. Some prominent examples are: "Colonel His Highness Sawai Tej Singhji, Maharaja of Alwar vs. The Union of India & Anr." (1978), "H.H. Sir Rama Varma vs. C.I.T." (1994), "The Commissioner of Income-Tax, Madhya Pradesh, Bhopal vs. H.H. Maharani Usha Devi" (1998), "Commissioner of Wealth Tax vs. Prince Muffakham Jah Bahadur Chamli Jan" (2000), "Her Highness Maharani Shantidevi P. Gaikwad vs. Savjibhai Haribhai Patel & Ors." (2001), "Union of India & Another vs. Raja Mohammed Amir Mohammad Khan" (2005). It is hard to imagine that the highest court in the land would have accepted the use of these titles had they been contrary to law.Karan112 (talk) 23:03, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

for more information see http://www.royalark.net/India/India.htm Karan112 (talk) 23:03, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Philippines

Sulu The name Maharaja was given to only one of the lineages of the Royal Family, Brunei Nakhoda Perkasa Angging (Maharaja Anddin) who married Apuh Andun or Mahandun (niece of Brunei Sultan Nassar’uddin) of Karongdong- Luuk, Jolo-Sulu, and as a result, heir-apparent and Sulu Sultans under this continued assured line of descendancy append “Maharaja Adinda” as a title to the beginning of their name; Maharaja Adinda Taup (father of Sharif Imam Ul-Alam Arpa)the 1859 Maharaja of Jolo-Sulu and the son of Maharaja Anddin (Sayyid Nakhoda Perkasa Angging),the Brunei Maharaja in the Sulu in 1704. The latter who led Sulu warriors in 1613 to have suppressed the rebellion in North Borneo by the self-proclaimed Sultan Mobin. In gratitude, the Brunei Sultan gave North Borneo as a gift to Nakhoda Angging and ceded, as by the Nakhoda,to the Sulu Sultanate, Nakhoda Angging or Maharaja Anddin as the Brunei Maharaja in the Sulu to also prevent North Borneo from being further ceded by the already doubtful Sulu Sultan Sahaduddin, the latter who instead Sultan Qudarat of Maguindanao ceded Palawan to the Spanish government in 1705. VERIFIED SOURCE , AS BY THE BOOK, "MUSLIMS IN THE PHILIPPINES" by Dean Cesar Majul. SEE WWW.ROYALSULTANATE.WEEBLY.COM OR WWW.ROYALSULTANATE.WEBNODE.COM or WWW.ROYALSULTANTE.WEBS.COM —Preceding unsigned comment added by 112.202.164.102 (talk) 10:01, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

To solve the confusion about the word "MAHARAJA" and "MAHARAJA ADINDA". In Sulu Sultanate there were many person rewarded title as "MAHARAJA" but the word "MAHARAJA ADINDA" was given ONLY to the Sulu Sultanate Second heir-apparent, begun from Pangiran Maharaja Adinda Raja Muda Datu Bantilan @ Sultan Bantilan Muizuddin (1748-1763) ibni Sultan Badaruddin-I (1718-1732). Maharaja Taup was the Maharaja Adinda to Sultan Pulalun in 1859 proclaimed by his childless first cousin Sulu Sultan Pulalun. The latter's father being the 1825-1839 Sulu Sultan Jamalul Kiram-I (Muwalil Wasit), Sultan Kiram-I, his sister was Sitti Mahandun who married Brunei Nakhoda Angging. Some sulu people may rewarded as "Maharaja" but should not mistake as "Maharaja Adinda". These maters same as well as the word "DATU". Not all the people have DATU was belongs to the "Sulu Sultanate Royal families". There were 3 category of DATU. 1). DATU DIRAJA = Belongs to the Sulu Sultanate Royal blood. 2) DATU GULAL= Rewarded by Sultan of Sulu to any people. 3) DATU ASAL= Called to the early inhibitants in Sulu island as the famous DATU KALBI & DATU JULKARNAIN TAUP. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.60.56.231 (talk) 02:36, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

Current status

As far as I can tell, the article has absolutely no indication whether there are still any maharajas in India, and if so what their status is. This is unacceptable. (As a matter of fact, the whole article is badly done; rather than starting with a long paragraph on etymology and related terms, it should start with a sentence laying out the basic facts of what a maharaja is -- and, as I say, whether they still exist.) Languagehat (talk) 20:00, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

Present Maharajas: Yes, they do still exist to a deduced level of position. The title Maharaja is a title use in India for its sovereign head of the Majapahit Empire. The Empeire's sattellite State wherein its Suzerainty powers extened throughout the Malayas; comprising of the present Philippines, Malaysia, Brunei and Indonesia was known as Maharlika Sri-Vigaya Empire of the Majapahit Empire under its sovereign head-Maharaja Pamarwasa. Since the death of the latter -n 1200AD, the Majapahit Empire started to have lose the Sri Vigaya Satellite Empire in the Malayas. When Maharaja Pamarwasa's son in-law Zein U;-Abidin established the first sultanate of Brunei reigning as its very first sultan as Sultan Mohamad Shah. Some Vigayan Rulers and non-muslim was King Luisong Tagean-Tallano who reigned as the paramount King of the the new Maharlika Strings of Sultanates and Rajanates. Succeeding rulers over the generations and as down as a Tribal Leader had use the title as Maharaja within their realm of control and jurisdiction. Yes, there are to this day Maharajas to some extend of position and not at the level of sovereign head. However, in the Sultanate/s of Mindanao and Sulu, thou under the administration of the Philippine Republic, the Sultanate people still believes that their Princes are entitled the name Maharaja Adinda as supposed to stand as a sovereign head or Sultan. This is because it is still believed that the Sultanates and its sovereignty is still constitutionally existing due to the contraversy of the 1915 Carpenter Memorandum Agreement and later made into an act, the Bates treaty and Treaty Of Paris of December 10, 1898 and so on.... as not supposed to have been abrogated by the sovereign Sultan/s. These treaties had made the Sultanate/s existing within the purview of Philippine Constitution and administered by the latter as part of its own delimited territorial integrity. This may be the reason of why the Sultanate people of the southern Philippines turn rebellion and prompted by the abuses upon southern Muslim people of the Sultanate/s. Came across this and check it out!: www.royalsultanate.weebly.com — Preceding unsigned comment added by 112.210.64.77 (talk) 10:02, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

More information on Maharani

Since "Maharani" redirects to this page, more information about them would be nice to see in the article. There's an image at Maharani Sikkim 1900 that could be added. 173.206.69.199 (talk) 00:05, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

Raja Muda - Maharaja Adinda

Hello Sikh History!

My aplogies for causing confusion! Sultan Arpa is back. Now, I understand... Okay, lets get this. First, allow me a statement about the followers of this Arpa Sultan who rewrote several other Wikipedia articles in the past, until they were blocked. Look at the history page of the article about the Philippine First Republic to see a removed example.

The Sultanate of Sulu and North Borneo ceded all its sovereignty and Royal rights over Sulu to the American colonial government by signing the so-called Carpenter agreement in 1915. By this act, the Sultan ratified and recognized the sovereignty of the United States over his territories in the modern Philippines. The Sultan was reduced to a “titular head of the Mohammedan Church in the Sulu Archipelago subject to the same limitations which apply to the supreme spiritual head of all religions existing on American territory.”

In 1962, Philippine President Macapagal accepted a power of attorney from the then Sultan Esmail Kiram I to pursue the sovereignty claim regarding the territories of North Borneo. Although disputed especially by Malaysian scholars, this official act by the Republic of the Philippines lawfully recognized that the Sultanate still owned de jure sovereign and Royal rights over the North Borneo territory in the modern state of Malaysian Sabah. At least up to 1962, as the power of attorney ceded the de jure sovereignty and the Royal rights to the Philippine government: “The territory of North Borneo and the full sovereignty, title and dominion are hereby ceded...”

See the World Fact Book of the American CIA http://www.faqs.org/docs/factbook/print/my.html Transnational Issues Malaysia, Disputes - international: “... Sultanate of Sulu granted the Philippine Government power of attorney to pursue his sovereignty claim over Malaysia's state of Sabah, over which the Philippines have not fully revoked their claim; ...”

http://royalsultanate.weebly.com/sulu-royalty-at-parallel-soveriegnty.html Here you see pictures and descriptions of Arpa`s ancestor with Gen. Jens A. Doe. Look at this http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Talk:Sultanate_of_Sulu#A_little_more_cleaning It is said, that this General removed Sultan Jamalul Kiram II in favour of the ancestor of the Arpa Sultan. Well, Gen. Doe was born 20 June 1891, so the Arpa Sultan was accompanied by an 8 year old General... He and his unit saw the battlefield in World War II, when Jamalul Kiram II was already deceased... Gen. Doe has its own Wikipedia article and you find information about his unit at the history unit of the US military.

Correction: A Maharaja Adinda is not an echelon but a title given as to be a successor. It means as, " Maharaja (Higher Prince) Adinda (Heir-apparent) and this was declared that siblings from one holding such Title will be the one successor as Sultan. Now General Jens A. Doe WAS A 1945 U.S. Army hero and any American military was refered to as Joe or GI Joe. In 1898 when the Americans came confiding with Sultan Pulalun at the hinterlands because Usurper Jamalul Kiram-II declined to entertain any threat to his reign, the Americans had no term for them and is presently termed retroactively as "GI JOE" derived from the name "General Jens A. Doe". So when any one cites that General Jens A. Doe first came to Sulu in 1898, it merely means that the American Military or its administration came to Sulu, in 1898. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 112.207.165.70 (talk) 12:24, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

Now, let me address the case of the Raja Muda and the Maharaja Adinda. In Sulu and other Philippine or foreign Sultanates, the Crown Prince is named Raja Muda. The Maharaja Adinda is the second heir in the line of succession who would secure the throne in the case that the Raja Muda is killed. The Maharaja Adinda is followed in rank by the Maharaja Lailah, who is the chief of the palace.

See these links: http://www.sulu.gov.ph/vNews.asp?Id=113 “... Likewise, the Sultanate of Sulu and North Borneo thru its Royal Security Sultanate Forces led by its Crown Prince (Datu Raja Muda) Agbimuddin Kiram...”

www.digitalibrary.my/dmdocuments/malaysiakini/277_selangor.pdf “Chapter Two, The heir, 14. Title of the heir to the throne. (1) The heir shall be designated by the title of Raja Muda, Selangor, to be called in English the Crown Prince of Selangor,...”

http://www.almanach.be/search/p/phil_sulu.html (this website requires paid subscription) „Maharaja Adinda: Second Heir Apparent“ „QUALIFICATIONS AND TITLES: Head of the Dynasty: HRH The Sultan of Sulu (also referred as HRH The Sultan of Jolo), have assumed recently the style of HRH Heir: The Rajamuda”

When you search the internet, you will find a lot of other references.

Just a note, the current leadership of the Sulu Sultanate as recognized by the government are Sultan Esmail D. Kiram II (jointly with his elder brother Sultan Jamalul Kiram III who is not reigning anymore), Raja Muda Datu Agbimuddin Kiram, Maharaja Adinda Datu Aliuddin Kiram, Maharaja Lailah Datu Phugdar Kiram.

The existance of the word "MAHARAJA ADINDA" at first, is a word to called for the Sulu Sultanate Second Heir-Apparent which given to the Sulu Sultanate heirs came from Sultan Bantilan Muizuddin ibni Sultan Badaruddin-I (*From Sultan Badaruddin-I second wife, a Princes of Tidung royal). A few years later, the word "MAHARAJA ADINDA" became a RANKING heir in the Sulu Sultanate cabinet members, followed by MAHARAJA LAILA & etc.

So, as you see, the Raja Muda is always the Crown Prince and superior in rank to the Maharaja Adinda. In history, some of the Maharaja Adinda achieved the rank and throne of the Sultan and went on to call themselves Sultan Maharaja or Sultan Maharaja Adinda. The descendants of these Sultans call themselves the Maharaja Adinda families. The head of the Maharaja Adinda branch currently is HRH Yang Mulia Datu Zainal Ali bin Datu Aliuddin Haddis Pabila. Datu Aliuddin first son's.

In conclusion, to verify the TRUE Sulu Sultanate heir is by to understand the Sulu Sultanate Protocol System (*Which thru the Sulu protocol, the throne should to ROTATE among the First and the Second Heir-Apparent. The Sulu protocol System a bit different with most of the Malay Sultanate protocol System, but it's a bit similar to the Perak Sultanate Protocol System). Secondly, the TRUE heir has a Physical proof and documentation kept & recorded in Brunei Dasrussalam. ALL THE SULTANATE HAS IT'S OWN ROYAL PROTOCOL SYSTEM SHOULD TO FOLLOW. ITS NOT JUST A SIMPLY WAY FOR ANYBODY OR ANY GROUPS OF SULU PEOPLE TO CHOOSE SOMEONE TO BE INSTALL AS THEIR SULTAN. The Sulu Sultanate Protocol System is not a Barbaric way, which the people not follow the Rules & the Laws. The Sulu Sultanate Protocol System is "The Rules of Laws" of the Sulu Sultanate kingdom. It's real kingdom named "SULU SULTANATE DARUL JAMBANGAN". About the Sultan (talk) 16:24, 6 February 2011 (UTC) IN CONCLUSION: What are you manifesting here. Is your one sided favorable sultanate? You are put to the question because you are specifically undermining other claimants you just believes and understand their legal stand. What are you doing for the recognition of the Sulu Sultanate? Did you not know that the Adinda Taups enforced the education of sulu as implemented by his Brother Highest Spiritual Sovereign Leader, reason why you are expressing you supposed views, at least, almost intelligently? This Royal family had been talks of the Ullamas and the elders of Sulu who actually witnesses this family's accomplishments, such as, Building of Schools, roads, water system and jambatan in Sulu. There is no question about this family having brought upon the Suluans, You, educations. What we all need to do is support each claimants as we shall see you accomplishes more for the Cause, moreover, our Kingdom's recognition? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.100.251.189 (talk) 03:49, 31 May 2015 (UTC)

Samraj and Samraja

I notice that Samraj redirects to the Emperor article but Samraja redirects here to Maharaja. It seems like a localization choice issue rather than a substantive one, and it makes little sense to me to have one directed to "Great King" and another directed to Emperor. Should both of these redirect to the same article, and if so, which one? Sima Yi (talk) 20:24, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

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Maharaja and Maharani two separate articles

Maharani redirects to this page. I feel "Maharani" should have a separate article. Lightbluerain❄ (Talk | contribs) 17:26, 7 June 2020 (UTC)

*Support Maharani is an important title (Queen consort) of Indian princely states. Some Maharani played major role in the history of India. VocalIndia (talk) Blocked sock 06:20, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

"Support, many Maharanis played an important role in the history of india, like the Rani of Jhansi or for example the Rajmata of Gwalior. ᗟ𝖗ᗟ𝓊𝑘𝘦 (talk) Blocked sock 14:22, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

Agree MaxA-Matrix💬 talk 02:07, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

Oppose A separate article is unnecessary in here. See Empress for instance. PadFoot (talk) 08:11, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

In Brazil

In Brazil there's a curious informal meaning for "marajá": a civil servant, or employee of a government-owned company, whose wage is seen as unreasonably high. 2804:D4B:7924:6B00:D995:B75F:18F5:AB26 (talk) 01:52, 31 January 2024 (UTC)