Talk:Locksmithing

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Is there a synonym for locksmithing? Something-ology? -how about lockiology:)

Any other locksmiths out there?

I'm a student of locksmithing (still in school at Lockmasters Security Institute), and was wondering if there are any other locksmiths on wiki out there.
-- Patrickjsanford

Yes, there are some, though locksmiths have their own WM-based wiki as well...

--Jondoelocksmith (talk) 19:38, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

Full disclosure debate

Can someone provide more details on this, and a cite? I remember reading a detailed treatment of this, with some quotable quotes, but cannot recall where I read it. -- The Anome 09:27, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

Aha: http://www.crypto.com/hobbs.html -- The Anome 09:27, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

Full disclosure was really intended to improve security by exposing the flaws of any system to other industry proffesionals. It was also decided that the end-user should also have access to this information to allow him to make an informed decesion, and implement improvements as nessicarry. Full disclosure was NOT meant to mean that any, and all security related information should be widely avalible. Rather it was to be a policy of open information sharing among the people that had a need to know. Still to this day individuals involved in security related fields will not discuss certain matters with people who don't have a right, or need to know. I as a locksmith would not discuss methods of bypassing high security locks with some stranger that just asked out of the blue, and I have met people who do not discuss these matters with others in the field. This is how it should be, IMO. Not because we're paranoid jerks, but because these things are not something everyone needs to know. There are matters that should be widely known, but they are rather few and far between. And even some of these flaws are allowed to remain for various reasons. This information regarding the general procedure of lock-picking is out all over the internet, but this hasn't resulted in a massive ammount of lock replacements. Why? Because while one may "know" how to pick, they generally can't because this is a skill learned over time and not an instant key to any lock. And also most burglars, and theives won't take the time needed to pick a lock because this increases their chances of being arrested, and they is practicly never use this to gain entry. Still, this information did not need to be made widely avalible, and has probably caused more harm than good by being spread around so much. Now what most people DON'T know is that picking is just another tool of a locksmith, and there are many ways to make picking ineffective or all together impossible. This doesn't mean that we go around shouting about pick-proof locks to everyone in the world, but rather allow the customer to make an informed choice based on their individual security needs. Shouting about how someone might get into your house with a pick would only serve to cause an unnessicary panic, and wouldn't really help matters as a burglar is more likely to smash a window in the first place. So what is gained from full public disclosure? Not much. At most it'll just cause a few scared people to run out and buy the next ineffective gimmick, and thus do more harm than good. And furthermore, attempting to chastise a locksmith into discussing certain matters by involking the holy writ of full disclosure is more likely to cause a call to the police than to get you the information you want. Patrickjsanford 01:10, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Bad Words on in this article

A couple of days ago I went on here and they had some pretty bad and offending words. Luckily I erased them. (I know, i'm a goodie two-shoes)

Dad's a Locksmith

My dad's a locksmith. If you have lock questions i might be able to answer them. Go ahead ask away:)

How much do they make on average?

How much do locksmiths make? I guess it depends on if they have their own business or if they work for someone, if they're an apprentice, etc.

it depends on a lot of things, like you said. on the low end of the pay scale a locksmith makes about 16k/yr as an apprentice, on the other end its 200k if you're a master locksmith that know things like safesmithing, access controll, and all the new automotive stuff along with owning your own business. also where you live effects it alot. the population of the town you're living in is a good thing to take into consideration. a town of 25,000 people can support 1 locksmith. a larger town with more people will bring in more money so long as youre not being killed by competition. Patrickjsanford 14:03, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Bumping

Bump Key Article from ALOA. Dang. Forgot to sign. Dan D. Ric 21:58, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Worrying

Ya'know, I'm wondering if everyone editing articles in the locksmithing category is actually thinking about the effects of making this information widely avalible. I understand the need for a good unified source of information on the 'net, but there are some things that just should not be public knowledge. Being a locksmith isn't a right, and having an understanding of the topics isn't something everyone has a right to either. Being a locksmith is a position of trust in your community. Your neighbors all rely on you as locksmiths not to misuse your knowledge, and skill. And putting what you know on the internet just makes the knowlegde avalible to any one with a computer. THINK ABOUT HOW THIS KNOWLEDGE CAN BE USED TOWARDS ILL ENDS BEFORE YOU PUT IT ON THE INTERNET!!!!! I know that bump keys sound cool, and easy to use, but do you REALLY think that the information about how to MAKE them should be on the INTERNET? Absoultly not! If you want to write an article on bump keying, write about how it can be prevented, not about how to do it. I'm seeing some very desturbing trends on these pages, and while it hasn't gotten scarry yet everyone needs to consider what their knowledge could be used for before publishing it all over the interweb. Patrickjsanford 22:57, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

• security by obscurity is no security --80.43.167.182 (talk) 14:25, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

The objective is not to bias information by writing an article to protect it. The "objective" is to write an unbias article for use in an encyclopedia format that is accepted as verifiabley authentic and true to the best of everyones ability. I disagree with your objection. Overruled.

- Ahears 02:44, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

No Worrying, Knowledge is power

Don't worry, as much as you know about locks can protect you some day You are more aware and do what it needs to protect yourself better im also willing to give from my knowledge, any questions will be kindly answered http://www.locksontheweb.com

What's this article about?

Is it about the profession or not? It reads like Lock picking. Am I missing something? Regards, Adamantios (talk) 06:55, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

Copyright query

Pgallert (talk)

This discussion outlines the problems that have been identified. --Pgallert (talk) 22:54, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

Deceptive locksmith practices

Assuming someone comes here before first using a locksmith, something should be said about the fraudulent practices that are becoming prevalent. --Jondoelocksmith (talk) 19:39, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

RFC: Locksmithing/picking Template

Hello, I have started a template to collect all the lock, key, and smithing terms together. Requesting feedback. User:Steveprutz/sandbox. StevePrutz (talk) 18:44, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

Now at {{Locksmithing}}. Still need some organizational work. There are a lot of articles missing or needing to be split from Key/Lock articles. StevePrutz (talk) 22:05, 15 August 2012 (UTC)