Talk:List of prose works by Richard Wagner

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I have created this page to get it going. It would be nice to have the addition of the original titles in German. Wonder29 (talk) 18:43, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Edit warring over the tag

None of the table is currently sourced. You claim it is based on Ellis, but at the moment Ellis is only supporting the one sentence paragraph, nothing else. Edit warring to remove a correctly placed tag isn't great. - SchroCat (talk) 20:49, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I believe the one-source tag that has been added now is the most appropriate.

I plan to expand article with original titles in German and sources for them and then perhaps the one-source tag can be removed.

Cheers,

Wonder29 (talk) 16:35, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's certainly not appropriate. I will repeat: as it stands, the table is still entirely unsourced. - SchroCat (talk) 16:37, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know how to "source" an entire table. Please provide guidance on what needs to be done, your tag is unhelpful. Wonder29 (talk) 17:13, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's not my tag: someone else put the current version there. - SchroCat (talk) 17:16, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I was referring to your earlier tag. I still don't understand how to "source" an entire table.

Doesn't seem that common anyways for lists of works... why are there no sources indicated at List of compositions by Felix Mendelssohn? Wonder29 (talk) 17:35, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Because they are terrible pages not worth the bandwidth. WP is nothing without sourcing. Discography of Sibelius symphony cycles, List of operettas by John Philip Sousa and even List of 1920s jazz standards are far better models. - SchroCat (talk) 17:46, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The difference is Wagner's prose and Mendelssohn's works have already been organized and assembled into published catalogs. Other tables invented by Wikipedia editors would need to cite their sources as they draw from many different sources. Wonder29 (talk) 17:54, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

So what? The thing the three pages have in common is that they cite WP:Reliable sources in a correct manner. This means readers will know they are reading properly sourced information, not just a list of things some random person thinks may be right. If you have the sources, it's not difficult to add them to the table - just follow the formatting in the articles I linked to. Without sourcing, the page is pretty much worthless and the table stands a chance of being deleted - if we don't source our product, it's worthless. - SchroCat (talk) 18:16, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

So I just add the same source to every row? Wonder29 (talk) 18:40, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No, you add each of the eight volumes as a separate source then add the page numbers for each individual entry. Every citation has to identify its specific page in its specific source. - SchroCat (talk) 18:54, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've added sources for each volume. I've considered page numbers but I have more important things to work on now (like creating articles for many of these works). You're welcome to work on the citations seeing how passionate you are about them. :) Wonder29 (talk) 19:14, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A half-arsed job. Why am I not surprised? - SchroCat (talk) 22:05, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The books are prefaced with a table of contents allowing people to find the page numbers of the essays they are interested in. No sense duplicating that here. Wonder29 (talk) 00:42, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There’s every point. The references will be tagged with a {{Page needed}} template by someone at some point, showing it was a half-arsed job. But if you’re fine with shoddy work, it’s your call. - SchroCat (talk) 03:43, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm fine with what I've done here. Users can find what they need from references given. I'm more interested in filling in the German sources and starting some articles on the important prose works. If you feel like contributing productively rather than following me around complaining, you know what needs to be done. :) Wonder29 (talk) 05:49, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It’s not my job to tidy up the crap left by people who can’t be bothered to learn the basics or do an acceptable job. You’re not going to last long if you can’t be bothered to do things properly. Unwatching this now, so feel free to have the all important last word. - SchroCat (talk) 06:15, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I already spent a great deal of time going through the 3,500 pages of volumes to get all the titles and dates. Page numbers do not add anything the table of contents does not. When we reference page numbers from books, it is because we are referencing fragments from specific pages that could not be found otherwise. Your recommendation merely is to add duplication and clutter. What I have done is not "crap", and I don't need your threats, thanks. Stop following me around and insulting me or I will report you for harassment. Wonder29 (talk) 17:08, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]