Talk:List of new members of the 117th United States Congress

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Requested move 5 January 2021

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: page not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) —Nnadigoodluck███ 22:18, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

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• List of new members of the 117th United States Congress → List of freshman class members of the 117th United States Congress
• List of new members of the 116th United States Congress → List of freshman class members of the 116th United States Congress
• List of new members of the 115th United States Congress → List of freshman class members of the 115th United States Congress
• List of new members of the 114th United States Congress → List of freshman class members of the 114th United States Congress

– The pages were moved without discussion. The reason given was that the term Freshman class was "informal and jargonesque", but it seems to be used in official sources. This also applies to the articles from List of new members of the 108th United States Congress to List of new members of the 113th United States Congress, which don't have talk pages. 73.110.217.186 (talk) 23:02, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

I support a move back to the original "freshman" title. The term, while usually associated with first year students in (American) high schools or colleges, is used by official U.S. House and Senate sources to categorize new members. KidAd talk 23:38, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME. While "freshman members" is being used (Gnews, 2380 results), "new members" is much more common (Gnews, 129000 results (oh, and the proposed "freshman class members" gets only 7 hits[1]). Coupled with the issue that "new members" is much more easily understood by readers worldwide than "freshman members", I think the current name is better than the proposed one (then again, as I was the one that moved them in the first place, this won't come as a surprise). I tried the Gnews test again with more specific terms, to exclude non-US congress results and to exclude older reslts (as perhaps there has been a shift in usage), and I still get 7930 results for "new"[2] vs. 42 for "freshman"[3] and none for the proposed "freshman class members"[4]. Fram (talk) 08:21, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME and WP:GNL. --Enos733 (talk) 16:43, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose "new members" is more concise and recognizable, as well as the common name per Fram. (t · c) buidhe 09:33, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
• Support. Freshman class is the official usage and each year, and "class" is a commonly used term for members in that year group. You can for example the class of 1994, class of 2010, class of 1974. They're always going to be in the same class, even after they're no longer "new." I also don't think this is overly technical or jargonesque, since these are all just commonly used words in the English language. -LtNOWIS (talk) 06:14, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
  • You do realise that the official usage is a primary source, as is any official name, and counts for very little? Andrewa (talk) 00:40, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose. English Wikipedia is for all English speakers, not just native speakers and certainly not just Americans. The existing titles are far more recognisable to most of us. This isn't a matter of wp:TITLEVAR in my opinion, but that would be the only possible justification for this move. Andrewa (talk) 00:40, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Ossoff and Warnock on Wikipedia page

I believe Jon Ossoff and Raphael Warnock should be on this Wikipedia page. The reason they aren’t is because they weren’t sworn in on January 3, but that’s because of Georgia’s runoff rule. They are for all intents and purposes, new members of the 117th Congress. Muhibm0307 (talk) 20:02, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

I partially agree with the above point as the elections were scheduled for November but it's state laws that moved it. However, if Raphael Warnock won outright in November he would've been sworn in the same time as Mark Kelly who doesn't count. Would it make sense to have a section of this page for members sworn in during the congress, like Ossoff, Warnock, Alex Padilla and the winners of the special elections in Ohio, New Mexico, and Louisiana? TrufForEveryone (talk) 09:33, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

Pages like this are normally meant for members sworn in on January 3rd. Due to this rule the changes to the Senate and NY-22 will only be listed on the 117th Congress changes in membership section. Besides elections held after the Congress begins are put there and this page is for all the new members who were elected and sworn in on opening day. You don't find other Senators and Representatives on previous New members pages because they are listed as such under the changes in membership. So therefore only members that are sworn in on the opening day of Congress are allowed on this page. Wollers14 (talk) 01:31, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Request to add a new addition to the series of freshmen members of a certain congress

So this request would go for every page like this and it is something I frankly have never understood. How come we don't include people who were sworn in after Jan 3? I know a principle of these pages that admins have set is they need to be sworn in on Jan 3 but just because someone isn't sworn in on a certain day doesn't mean they aren't a freshmen of a congress. I am suggesting we add members sworn in from anytime in a certain congress on every page since in my opinion it just doesn't make sense to not include them. I'd like to hear some arguments for keeping it exclusive for members who were sworn in on Jan 3. Well have a good day! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Justarandomnamejake (talk • contribs) 19:00, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

• Historically they weren't part of the "freshman class" of people who join together, go through orientation, all that. If you win a special election in an odd year, you don't have a class. You're just alone. Now that we're moving away from the "freshman class" conceit, I agree that we should list everyone who joins mid-term, possibly in a new section. That way we can also list the winners of the 4 scheduled special House elections. -LtNOWIS (talk) 04:24, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

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