Talk:List of inventoried hardwoods in the United States
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I concede that the USFS doesn't have a monopoly on forest inventories ... so if someone wants to propose and defend alternative inventories, I have no problem with that. I'd prefer to keep the current page title, but as a fall-back position, if necessary, the page could have a title that focuses only on Silvics of North America (1991). The trend in the US has shifted away from fixed inventory lists and toward relying on databases that produce custom-made inventories after you select the characteristics you're looking for, and these kinds of non-stable databases generally won't be accepted as sources on Wikipedia, and certainly not for featured lists. I'm not an expert, but I haven't been able to find any source that can match the 1991 inventory. I omitted Canada's national inventory for this US list because it includes species such as Asimina triloba (mainly a fruit tree), Betula neoalaskana (now a synonym for a Betula subspecies), Betula occidentalis and Betula populifolia (which both appear to be too small for commercial forestry use). - Dank (push to talk) 13:33, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Non-Quercus image licenses: 171 labeled as own work (including some from Laval University), 46 as FlickrBot, 12 as US government public domain, 3 as other public domain, 2 as iNaturalist.org, 1 as forestryimages.org (for File:Prunus pensylvanica 5455689.jpg), and 2 as Gardenology.org (for Ulmus serotina). - Dank (push to talk) 01:27, 25 August 2024 (UTC) Quercus image licenses: 42 labeled as own work, 23 as FlickrBot, 2 as US government public domain, and 2 as iNaturalist.org (not counting the top image and a few image substitutions on August 29). - Dank (push to talk) 21:06, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Three of the species are broken down into varieties in the 1991 inventory, but in each case, only one variety is covered in detail these days in the USDA database, corresponding to what the 1991 inventory treated as the "name" variety. Nyssa sylvatica: POWO now calls the swamp tupelo variety Nyssa biflora. Populus deltoides: what the 1991 inventory lists as the name variety is now the name subspecies in POWO. No varieties or subspecies are listed at either USDA or POWO for Quercus falcata (except for renamed synonyms). - Dank (push to talk) 22:41, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
After subtracting the non-native species and taxa that are no longer considered species, there are 102 species remaining from the 1991 inventory, so this list has 102 rows. (Calophyllum antillanum and Tabebuia heterophylla are native to the Antilles, not to Florida, per POWO.) - Dank (push to talk) 03:56, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There have been a few classification changes at USDA since the 1991 inventory. Some species have been renamed: Acer floridanum, Aesculus flava, Chrysolepis chrysophylla, Samanea saman and Quercus texana. Two species are now classified as subspecies or hybrids: Notholithocarpus densiflorus and Populus balsamifera subspecies trichocarpa. Quercus prinus is no longer a valid taxon. - Dank (push to talk) 15:23, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I list each of the following POWO classifications in the relevant row: POWO gives Tamala borbonia for Persea borbonia, and lists Acer floridanum and Acer nigrum as subspecies. - Dank (push to talk) 04:43, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This edit changed, for instance, "All but [two states] in the [region]" to "The [region]". Precision is nice when you can afford it, but when I was listing every single state exception, that column was taller than all the others and taller than the images in many cases. And it's not like it's misleading; no one thinks that the phrase "[occurs] in the Southeast" means that it has to occur in every state in the Southeast. FWIW, I draw the line at two states ... if a tree occurs in all but three states in a region, then I just list the states that the tree occurs in. - Dank (push to talk) 16:54, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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