Talk:List of genocides/Archive 16
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Lowest Gaza genocide killings estimate correction
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- Please change the lowest estimated killing for the Gaza genocide entry from 42,718 to 118,908
:− 42,718+ 118,908 - The 42,718 figure is the lowest *direct* deaths estimate, not the lowest *total* deaths estimate. The lowest total deaths estimate, including the minimum number of direct and indirect deaths, is 118,908. I got this information (cited below) from a source cited directly in the Gaza genocide article’s “Deaths” section:
- [1][2](both references are the same, just not sure if the pdf link works so I included the archive link as well):
CheezyCheddar (talk) 04:23, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
References
- ^ https://static1.squarespace.com/static/66e083452b3cbf4bbd719aa2/t/66fcd754b472610b6335d66f/1727846228615/Appendix+20241002.pdf
- ^ https://web.archive.org/web/20241007173405/https://static1.squarespace.com/static/66e083452b3cbf4bbd719aa2/t/66fcd754b472610b6335d66f/1727846228615/Appendix+20241002.pdf
Not done for now: The link you provide seems to be a self-published PDF, with no evidence of reliability. Even going based on that, through an admittedly short skim of the document, it cites a minimum death toll of ~41,000. I would recommend reading through Wikipedia:Reliable sources for what is considered "reliable" on Wikipedia. — BerryForPerpetuity (talk) 15:51, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
Update upper bound for Gaza Genocide
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As noted in the efn, the value is derived by multiplying the given lower bound of the Gazan Health Ministry reported at the time by 5.
Applying this to the current lower bound gives us 213,590 dead people.
Would it be possible to reflect that in the article or are such trivial calculations not allowed? Laura240406 (talk) 02:20, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
Question: @Laura240406: I don't see where the higher bound is recieved by multiplying by 5. I see '4 indirect deaths per 1 direct death'. As long as "multiply it by 5" is actually how this is calculated, and is supported by reliable sources, it is allowed in the article and is not original research per WP:CALC. — BerryForPerpetuity (talk) 15:44, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
- To quote the study in question: "Applying a conservative estimate of four indirect deaths per one direct death to the 37 396 deaths reported, it is not implausible to estimate that up to 186 000 or even more deaths could be attributable to the current conflict in Gaza.
- The 37396 deaths reported correspond to the direct deaths in the equation and 37396 plus 4 times 37396 is 37396 times 5 and that is 186980. Laura240406 (talk) 17:33, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 12 November 2024
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Remove inclusion of Gaza Genocide. Reason: Significant scholarship calling this as a genocide is not currently cited, instead a litany of speculative op-eds has been listed such as under Citation 14. A very large amount of coal doesn't constitute diamonds, it is the verifiability of the sources which count. One of the best sources we have for this is the International Court of Justice, which has not concluded genocide has or is occurring; seemingly they did not find significant verifiable scholarship - but the open encyclopedia managed it? 2A00:23C5:6433:4301:6DA1:980D:A0D:4500 (talk) 15:29, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
- Not done. There is consensus to include this. See Talk:List of genocides/Archive 15#RFC - Inclusion of Gaza genocide. IOHANNVSVERVS (talk) 19:21, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
- In citation fourteen is a long list of experts in this area, all stating in their expert opinion, with their analysis and justification, why this should be considered genocide. -- Cdjp1 (talk) 12:40, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 16 November 2024
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Can you add the Sikh genocide in 1984? http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/1984_anti-Sikh_riots 2601:646:9E82:76B0:FC64:D2A3:A698:2228 (talk) 01:06, 16 November 2024 (UTC)
- Not done for now: for citations in the article referring to the riots as a genocide all are news covering either the Akal Takht's calling it a genocide, or covering individual politicians seeking to have the riots recognised politically as genocide. None of the sources are scholarship, which is the requirement for inclusion in the list. If you know of scholarship that concludes the riots are genocide, please provide them. --
- Cdjp1 (talk) 14:16, 16 November 2024 (UTC)