Talk:List of animated series with LGBT characters: 2020–2024

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As a reminder, previous discussions about Beckett Mariner of Star Trek: Lower Decks, Korvo and Terry in Solar Opposites, Izetta from Izetta: The Last Witch, Brooklyn in Moon Girl and Devil Dinosaur, Assault Lily Bouquet, Helluva Boss, Senpai Is an Otokonoko, several characters in Jellyfish Can't Swim in the Night, and Hunter and Willow Park in The Owl House, Zooble in The Amazing Digital Circus, and Maddie Nolen in Arcane can be read at Talk:List of animated series with LGBT characters: 2020–present/Archive 1. I just want to make sure everyone can access those easily.Historyday01 (talk) 22:48, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

Confirmation and the use of secondary sources

I'm posting this to head off any criticism of this article that secondary sources are used to prove the LGBTQ identities of the characters listed on this page. This is similar to what I posted on the List of animated series with LGBTQ characters talk page, but I am posting it here as well. According to WP:YTCOPYRIGHT, specifically the original research section,

All material in Wikipedia articles must be attributable to a reliable published source. This means a reliable published source must exist for it, whether or not it is cited in the article. Sources must support the material clearly and directly: drawing inferences from multiple sources to advance a novel position is prohibited by the NOR policy. Base articles largely on reliable secondary sources. While primary sources are appropriate in some cases, relying on them can be problematic. For more information, see the Primary, secondary, and tertiary sources section of the NOR policy, and the Misuse of primary sources section of the BLP policy.

Furthermore, on WP:NOR, it says:

Wikipedia articles should be based on reliable, published secondary sources and, to a lesser extent, on tertiary sources and primary sources. Secondary or tertiary sources are needed to establish the topic's notability and to avoid novel interpretations of primary sources. All analyses and interpretive or synthetic claims about primary sources must be referenced to a secondary or tertiary source, and must not be an original analysis of the primary-source material by Wikipedia editors.

As such, citing sources like CBR, Collider, Anime News Network, Digital Spy, THEM Anime Reviews, and Den of Geek, along with the many others cited on the main page, are totally acceptable. When it comes to anime, official sites often are limited in the characters they talk about (usually only the protagonists, not the secondary characters for the most part) or give the characters biographies by putting text within images, making translation of the text impossible unless you are fluent in Japanese. This also means that primary sources are NOT necessarily needed to show the LGBTQ identity of any of the characters listed on this page. Such sources are nice, like in the cases of The Owl House, Kipo, Patalliro, Q-Force, Asteroid in Love, and Distant Lands, but they are not always available, especially if the show is an anime or is relatively obscure, and are also not necessary!

I just thought I'd point this out before some editor comes along and tries to remove content here. Reposting this from Talk:List of animated series with LGBT characters: 2020–present.--Historyday01 (talk) 22:22, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

Improving the article opening

With the end of 2024 fast approaching, if any users have suggestions for how to improve the opening, I'm open to it. I'm not sure listing series is the best way to do it, but how do we know which series will be the long-lasting ones, and which won't? So, I'd love to make the opening of this article better, but I'd love to hear from you all. --Historyday01 (talk) 22:26, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

Changing page title

In line with discussions elsewhere, like on the LGBTQ wikiproject, I support changing the title of this page to List of animated series with LGBTQ characters: 2020–2024, but I would like to do it at the same time as the parent page, List of animated series with LGBT characters: 2020–present to List of animated series with LGBTQ characters: 2020–present.--Historyday01 (talk) 22:26, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

Better sources needed

In line with my recent edit, I am bringing in two users (@Cabutchikas and @173.189.171.190) who made these edits, and similar ones, to this page, citing a pride image posted by the official Helluva Boss account, saying it "proves" that certain characters are bisexual, pansexual, and a variety of other identities. However, I am hoping that better sources can be gathered. I want to make sure that this page has the best sources possible, and I am only relying upon a discussion I participated in here in which it was determined, as I told, Cabutchikas, that the image "was not sufficient enough to say that these characters were pansexual, that there should be "an explicit source saying that the characters in question are pansexual" and that having direct sources stating the character's pansexuality is needed" and I further noted that "the same would apply to ALL characters cited in that image." I made a similar edit, in line with this thinking on the List of gay characters in animation page recently as well. For full transparency, the entries as stated, without that source not used, are shown below. If you could provide better, more direct, sources stating these character's identities, that would be deeply appreciated. Thanks.

UPDATES TO EXISTING ENTRIES: (in the 2020 section of this article)

Duration	Show title	Character debut date	Characters	Identity	Notes	Country
2020-Present	Helluva Boss	April 30, 2021	Sallie May	Lesbian trans woman	Millie's sister, from episode 5: "The Harvest Moon Festival". She is confirmed to be transgender by her voice actress, Morgana Ignis, who is transgender and lesbian. She is also confirmed to be a lesbian.	United States
		October 31, 2021	Asmodeus	Pansexual	Asmodeus is one of the Seven Deadly Sins, the Sin of Lust. He runs a nightclub with the jester imp Fizzarolli as his headliner. In episode 15: "Oops", it is revealed that Asmodeus and Fizzarolli are secretly lovers and have been in a genuine romantic relationship for years. He is confirmed to be pansexual.

NEW POSSIBLE ENTRIES (in the 2020 section of this article)

Duration	Show title	Character debut date	Characters	Identity	Notes	Country
2020-Present	Helluva Boss	October 31, 2020	Loona	Bisexual	Blitzo's adoptive hellhound daughter and the secretary of I.M.P. Loona is hinted to be bisexual in "Queen Bee" as she call Beelzebub "hot" as well she made out with men and women as seen in "Spring Broken". She is confirmed to be bisexual. She is voiced by bisexual voice actor Erica Lindbeck.	United States
		December 9, 2020	Octavia	Asexual	Stolas' teenage emo scornful daughter from episode 2: "Loo Loo Land". She is confirmed to be asexual.
		January 31, 2021	Verosika Mayday	Pansexual	A succubus pop star and Blitzo's ex-girlfriend from episode 3: "Spring Broken". In episode "Apology Tour", the reason they break up because she told him she love him and he left, causing her to hate him. She is confirmed to be pansexual.
		October 31, 2021	Fizzarolli	Gay	Fizzarolli is a jester imp and Blitzo's childhood friend. Unlike Blitzo and Stolas' relationship; Asmodeus and Fizzarolli's relationship is more stable and healthy. He is confirmed to be gay.
		May 20, 2023	Andrealphus		Stella's snobby brother and the ice peacock demon who made his debut in the episode "Western Energy". He is confirmed to be gay.
		June 24, 2023	Beelzebub	Pansexual	Beelzebub is one of the Seven Deadly Sins, the Sin of Gluttony and the girlfriend of Versosika's hellhound bodyguard, Vortex. She is confirmed to be pansexual. She is voiced by singer Kesha who is part of the LGBT community.
		July 8, 2023	Barbie Wire		Blitzo's twin sister who makes her debut on episode: "Unhappy Campers" and the drug dealer who works with a human counselor named Jimmy. She is confirmed to be pansexual.
		October 29, 2023	Mammon	Asexual	Mammon is one of the Seven Deadly Sins, the Sin of Greed. He is the abusive boss of Fizzarolli until he quits with the help of Asmodeus. He is confirmed to be asexual.

Historyday01 (talk) 01:38, 31 December 2024 (UTC)