Talk:List of Alexander McQueen collections
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Did you know nomination
[edit]- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by BorgQueen (talk) 17:18, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
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- ... that fashion designer Alexander McQueen drew inspiration for his thirty-six collections from film, history, nature, world religion, and art?
Source: This is going to be complicated so bear with me. Each of the individual collections in the list has its inspiration listed, and a ref. For ease of use here, to save people having to look at refs for each specific collection, I've subbed broad-spectrum refs where I could find them - film and nature specifically - even though those aren't cited in the article.
- Film: [1].
- History: Blood Beneath the Skin p. 137–138 and [2]
- Nature: [3]
- Religion: Bethune, Kate. "Encyclopedia of Collections". In Alexander McQueen, ed. Wilcox, Claire (2015), pp. 307, 311, 321. (No online version sorry, but I can email scans if necesary)
- Art: Bethune again p. 308, 310
Created by Premeditated Chaos (talk). Self-nominated at 03:54, 2 April 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/List of Alexander McQueen collections; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
New enough, long enough, sourced, neutral, and plagiarism-free. Hook is cited and QPQ checks out; as an interestingness challenge, I suppose I'm wondering whether it's really exceptional for McQueen to have drawn inspiration from those sources? Seem to be natural sources of inspiration for art. Nice going so far, Premeditated Chaos! theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 18:41, 25 April 2023 (UTC)
- Hi Leeky, thanks for the review. It's a bit hard to hook an article with this scope without resorting to trivia about an individual collection, or about McQueen himself. I would argue that he was fairly unusual in the breadth of his inspirations and the depths of his narratives. It's not often you see a designer say "this collection is based on Joan of Arc" or "this collection is about how much the fashion industry sucks", especially back in his day. How about:
- ALT1: ... that fashion designer Alexander McQueen used his thirty-six collections to reinterpret films, tell fairy tales, and criticize the fashion industry?
- Films - any of the film collections, esp. Deliverace or The Man Who Knew Too Much; fairy tales: Irere or The Girl Who Lived in the Tree; fashion industry: It's a Jungle Out There and The Horn of Plenty. Refs in article, unless you want me to copy here. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 19:15, 25 April 2023 (UTC)
- Promising hook – the list onwiki says that Deliverance and The Man Who Knew Too Much are based on films, could something be put in the article that says (actually, this might be a scholarly consensus/opinion in wikivoice problem, but we'll see) that they reinterpret those films? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 22:35, 25 April 2023 (UTC)
- I'm not sure it needs a scholarly consensus to say he's reinterpreting those works as fashion. Especially for Deliverance where he presents a dance performance to exhaustion just like in the movie. It's just another way of saying "based on" but in verb format to match with the other clauses. "Reimagine" perhaps, as an alternate word? ♠PMC♠ (talk) 23:31, 25 April 2023 (UTC)
- theleekycauldron what about this alternative:
- ALT2: ... that across his thirty-six collections, fashion designer Alexander McQueen contemplated religion, told fairy tales, and criticized the fashion industry?
- Keeps the active verb format but ditches film in favor of religion, and I think we can safely use "contemplated" without a citation. Religiously-flavored collections include Joan, Eye, Eshu, and Angels and Demons. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 18:16, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
ALT2 works for me! nice work :) theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 03:38, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
- theleekycauldron what about this alternative:
- I'm not sure it needs a scholarly consensus to say he's reinterpreting those works as fashion. Especially for Deliverance where he presents a dance performance to exhaustion just like in the movie. It's just another way of saying "based on" but in verb format to match with the other clauses. "Reimagine" perhaps, as an alternate word? ♠PMC♠ (talk) 23:31, 25 April 2023 (UTC)
- Promising hook – the list onwiki says that Deliverance and The Man Who Knew Too Much are based on films, could something be put in the article that says (actually, this might be a scholarly consensus/opinion in wikivoice problem, but we'll see) that they reinterpret those films? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 22:35, 25 April 2023 (UTC)
- Hi Leeky, thanks for the review. It's a bit hard to hook an article with this scope without resorting to trivia about an individual collection, or about McQueen himself. I would argue that he was fairly unusual in the breadth of his inspirations and the depths of his narratives. It's not often you see a designer say "this collection is based on Joan of Arc" or "this collection is about how much the fashion industry sucks", especially back in his day. How about:
