Talk:Leo Kuvayev

Correct Classification?

This article states that it is on a "computer specialist". I'm not sure if that classification is appropriate. That title would seem to place this person in the ranks of Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, and Linus Torvalds (to name a few). I would think that considering what Leo Kuvayev does, it would be more appropriate to place him in a category such as "living criminals" - if one exists. There is plenty of evidence available to demonstrate that he is willingly breaking the law by selling products in ways that are prohibited by their terms of sale (such as adobe and microsoft software).

Adding information

How should I add WHOIS information to this page? I can show easily some of the new domains that have been registered to this person, but I don't know how to do that. In particular, it pertians to a domain that ends in .cn, so I can't just point to ICANN since they don't index those. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.58.33.115 (talk) 20:47, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Information Removed

I think that in this case the contact information for Mr. Kuvayev should be left up. Not because I think that anyone would want to try to contact him (as that would of course be counter-productive at best), but rather because it helps to verify when you are dealing with spam sent on his behalf. When the WHOIS data is withheld from this page, it just aids in obfuscating what recent work is of his doing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.58.33.115 (talk) 19:03, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

In hindsight, the information isn't encyclopediac, and we're not a how-to guide on tracking spammers. I'm supporting its removal for the time being. • Lawrence Cohen 05:05, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

What about previous email addresses? They wouldn't really be contact information, but they could be identifiable information. For example, at one point he used a gmail address that has since been shut down. Other email addresses that he has used also can be shown to not work, as they bounce back with either errors from the domain or are rejected because the domain no longer maps anywhere. I feel this could be useful information to share. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.58.33.115 (talk) 03:00, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Do you have any reliable sources that meet WP:RS rules that detail this info? • Lawrence Cohen 05:41, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Yes, many of his past email addresses can be seen in the WHOIS records that are shared through SPAMHAUS. They have listed many of the domains that he has purchased, under various names, and from that you could find different email addresses that he has used in those transactions. 24.58.33.115 —Preceding comment was added at 02:29, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

I'll check to see if Spamhaus counts as an RS. I'm inclined to say yes, but want to look into it tomorrow. WHOIS by itself I would wager is definitely not a valid source by itself. But that aside, connect the dots like that while useful isn't our job and isn't allowed in the article. If a 3rd party RS didn't report on it already, we can't publish it in the article, ever. Check out WP:OR for why. • Lawrence Cohen 05:24, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

We are already linking to Spamhaus in the article, so I'm pretty sure someone already deemed them as an RS. Essentially, I think it would be useful to say "Mr. Kuvayev registered under aaa@bbb.com(1), then ccc@ddd.com(2), then eee@fff.com(3)" where (1), (2), and (3) are all Spamhaus reports on domains that he has purchased. Many of the domains from bbb.com, ddd.com, and fff.com of course also have Spamhaus pages devoted to them. 24.58.33.115 —Preceding comment was added at 17:49, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Adding back to "Russian Computer Criminals"

Kuvayev was previously listed under "Computer Criminals", and removed for unclear reasons. It looks like now the category for "Computer Criminals" is divided by nationality, so I have added him under "Russian Computer Criminals". I apply the following reasons for this inclusion:

 Kuvayev has been fined for spamming, which itself is a crime
 Kuvayev's web sites (which are supported by spam) openly violate controlled substance laws
 Other sites from Kuvayev also openly distribute software against their license terms

24.58.37.208 (talk) —Preceding undated comment was added at 02:13, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

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