Talk:Las Mujeres Ya No Lloran World Tour
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European dates have not been announced yet.
[edit]I have seen that European dates keep on getting written into the page, yet neither has anybody officially announced them, nor I see any mention of them other than here (shakira.com makes no mention of any date in Europe - only dates in US/Canada). Please refrain from adding them back since they haven't been announced yet. 181.170.152.208 (talk) 01:50, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
Use of quotes in "Background"
[edit]The use of quotes within the background section, with the mentioning of both "overwhelming demand" and "need for larger venues" stem because they come direct from the cited article (which did not need to be repeated in some other edits), ie: "Shakira is pushing back her North American dates for her Las Mujeres Ya No Lloran tour to 2025, the singer announced on Friday, citing overwhelming demand and the need for larger venues. Not to mention, the source cites it is Shakira whom announced the push back, and then Live Nation (which doesn't need a second linking, again, another mishap of restoring previous edits) announced the new dates/venues. Splitting information from October 2024 inbetween two separated paragraphs also is not required; October can and should be kept together, as it is a group of information that happened in that month; if separated dates were removed, it'd be a consistently flowing paragraph. livelikemusic (TALK!) 20:30, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- Paragraphs do not necessarily have to be divided into months/dates. Generally, a new paragraph begins when there is a change of focus, idea, or direction, such as the postponement of the entire first leg of the tour. The use of quotes is not necessary because there's several reliable sources that cite demand as the reason for the postponement of the tour, as simple as that. Thedayandthetime (talk) 17:22, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- Again, the quotes were provided because the wording came directly from the article; not quoting would be in violation of WP:COPYVIO/WP:PLAG, which would not be appropriate. It has nothing to do with whether "several" sources provide the information; it's about the wording itself to avoid violating the previously-linked content guidelines and legal policies. And while WP:PARAGRAPH does state: All the sentences within a paragraph should revolve around the same topic. When the topic changes, a new paragraph should be started. Overly long paragraphs should be split up, as long as the cousin paragraphs keep the idea in focus. it does not state they have to. And again, if we removed time (October 2024 mentions), it would be a consistent flow of information from the month of October. The alternative would ultimately be to remove mention of time (ie: October 2024) in creation of a new paragraph focusing on the tour's postponement in North America, which I don't few as overly necessary to do, especially given how small the paragraphs have been. livelikemusic (TALK!) 17:27, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- As an example —
|Following her [[Super Bowl LIV halftime show|halftime performance]] at [[Super Bowl LIV]], [[Live Nation (events promoter)|Live Nation]] announced [[Shakira]] would tour in 2021.<ref name="Miami Herald 1">{{cite news |last1=Cohen |first1=Howard |title=Shakira announces 2021 world tour after dazzling Super Bowl |url=https://www.miamiherald.com/entertainment/music-news-reviews/article239944598.htmlmp/ |access-date=9 January 2025 |work=[[Miami Herald]] |publisher=[[McClatchy]] |date=4 February 2020 |archive-url=https://archive.today/20240413144711/https://www.miamiherald.com/entertainment/music-news-reviews/article239944598.html |archive-date=13 April 2024 |location=United States |issn=0898-865X |oclc=2733685}}</ref> Further news was delayed, due to the [[COVID-19 pandemic]]. In September 2023, Shakira told ''[[Billboard (magazine)|Billboard]]'' she planned to release new music and embark on a "global tour" in the following year. She told the publication: "Putting a tour together is fun, but it's a great effort and you have to put everything on the balance and decide what the fans really want to hear, what songs you want to hear and how much production you want. In the end, the more production you have, the higher the ticket price. I want the tickets to be affordable. But to me, the most important thing is the repertoire. That's why I think [my next tour] will be the tour of a lifetime, because I have so many songs."<ref name="Billboard 1">{{cite magazine |last1=Cobo |first1=Leila |title=Hits Don't Lie: Shakira Bares Her Soul on Turning Pain Into Pop Gold |url=https://www.billboard.com/music/latin/shakira-billboard-2023-cover-1235416448/ |magazine=[[Billboard (magazine)|Billboard]] |publisher=[[Eldridge Industries]] |access-date=9 January 2025 |archive-url=https://archive.today/20230921181453/https://www.billboard.com/music/latin/shakira-billboard-2023-cover-1235416448/ |archive-date=21 September 2023 |location=United States |issn=0006-2510 |oclc=732913734 |date=21 September 2023 |url-status=live}}</ref>
On 13 April 2024, while appearing as a special guest during [[Bizarrap]]'s set at [[Coachella]], she announced the tour.<ref name="Diario AS 1">{{cite news |last1=Morales |first1=Carolina |title=Shakira anuncia nueva gira 'Las mujeres ya no lloran world tour': detalles, fechas y qué se sabe |trans-title=Shakira announces new tour 'Las mujeres ya no lloran world tour': details, dates and what is known |url=https://colombia.as.com/tikitakas/shakira-anuncia-nueva-gira-las-mujeres-ya-no-lloran-world-tour-detalles-fechas-y-que-se-sabe-n/ |access-date=9 January 2025 |work=[[Diario AS]] |publisher=[[PRISA]] |date=14 April 2024 |archive-url=https://archive.today/20250109164041/https://colombia.as.com/tikitakas/shakira-anuncia-nueva-gira-las-mujeres-ya-no-lloran-world-tour-detalles-fechas-y-que-se-sabe-n/ |archive-date=9 January 2025 |location=Spain |issn=1888-6671 |language=es-co}}</ref><ref name="Marca 1">{{cite news |title=Shakira anuncia gira "las mujeres ya no lloran": fechas y preventa de boletos del World Tour 2024, ¿estará en México? |trans-title=Shakira announces "Women no longer cry" tour: dates and ticket pre-sale for the World Tour 2024, will she be in Mexico? |url=https://www.marca.com/mx/trending/musica/2024/04/14/661b55f422601d3f618b456f.html |access-date=9 January 2025 |work=[[Marca (newspaper)|Marca]] |publisher=[[Unidad Editorial]] |date=14 April 2024 |archive-url=https://archive.today/20250109164445/https://www.marca.com/mx/trending/musica/2024/04/14/661b55f422601d3f618b456f.html |archive-date=9 January 2025 |location=Spain |issn=2340-0595 |oclc=472455028 |language=es-MX}}</ref> Three days later, Live Nation announced concerts in North America,<ref name="Live Nation PR 1">{{cite press release |date=16 April 2024 |title=Shakira Announces First Run of Dates on Las Mujeres Ya No Lloran World Tour Kicking Off November 2 in Palm Desert, CA |url=https://www.livenationentertainment.com/2024/04/shakira-announces-first-run-of-dates-on-las-mujeres-ya-no-lloran-world-tour-kicking-off-november-2-in-palm-desert-ca/ |url-status=live |location=United States |publisher=[[Live Nation (events promoter)|Live Nation]] |agency=[[Live Nation Entertainment]] |archive-url=https://archive.today/20250109170247/https://www.livenationentertainment.com/2024/04/shakira-announces-first-run-of-dates-on-las-mujeres-ya-no-lloran-world-tour-kicking-off-november-2-in-palm-desert-ca/ |archive-date=9 January 2025 |access-date=9 January 2025}}</ref> with additional concerts added due to demand in [[Thousand Palms, California|Thousand Palms]], [[Miami]] and [[New York City]], respectively.<ref name="Daily Jang 1">{{cite news |author1=Web Desk |title=Shakira adds new dates to her LMYNL World Tour after overwhelming demands from fans |url=https://jang.com.pk/en/10366-shakira-adds-new-dates-to-her-lmynl-world-tour-after-overwhelming-demands-from-fans-news |access-date=9 January 2025 |work=[[Daily Jang]] |publisher=[[Jang Media Group]] |date=18 April 2024 |archive-url=https://archive.today/20250109170916/https://jang.com.pk/en/10366-shakira-adds-new-dates-to-her-lmynl-world-tour-after-overwhelming-demands-from-fans-news |archive-date=9 January 2025 |location=Pakistan |issn=1563-8723 |oclc=1781424}}</ref> In October 2024, Shakira's official website revealed concerts in the Latin America region;<ref name="Official Website 1">{{cite web |title=Tour |url=https://www.shakira.com/tour/ |website=Official Website |publisher=[[Sony Music Entertainment]] |access-date=9 January 2025 |archive-url=https://archive.today/20241210191920/https://www.shakira.com/tour/ |archive-date=10 December 2024 |location=United States |url-status=dead}}</ref><ref name="CBN 1">{{cite web |author1=PutEssay |title=Shakira anuncia turnê na América Latina com shows no Brasil em 2025 |url=https://cbn.globo.com/cultura/noticia/2024/10/02/shakira-anuncia-turne-na-america-latina-com-shows-no-brasil-em-2025.ghtml |website=[[Central Brasileira de Notícias]] |publisher=[[Grupo Globo]] |access-date=9 January 2025 |archive-url=https://archive.today/20250110020532/https://cbn.globo.com/cultura/noticia/2024/10/02/shakira-anuncia-turne-na-america-latina-com-shows-no-brasil-em-2025.ghtml |archive-date=10 January 2025 |location=Brazil |language=pt-br |date=2 October 2024 |url-status=live}}</ref> additional concerts were subsequently added in several cities eight days later.<ref name="G1" />
Shakira announced plans to postpone the North American concerts, citing the "overwhelming demand", as well as the "need for larger venues".<ref name="Rolling Stone 1">{{cite magazine |last1=Millman |first1=Ethan |title=Shakira Postpones North American Tour to Upgrade from Arenas to Stadiums |url=https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/shakira-postpones-north-american-tour-upgrades-stadiums-1235137853/ |magazine=[[Rolling Stone]] |publisher=[[Penske Media Corporation]] |access-date=9 January 2025 |archive-url=https://archive.today/20241019063113/https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/shakira-postpones-north-american-tour-upgrades-stadiums-1235137853/ |archive-date=19 October 2024 |location=United States |issn=0035-791X |oclc=969027590 |date=18 October 2024 |url-status=live}}</ref> Following her announcement, the upgraded concerts and venues were announced for May and June 2025 by Live Nation.<ref name="Live Nation PR 2">{{cite press release |date=21 October 2024 |title=Due to Unprecedented Fan Demand, Shakira Announces 2024 Las Mujeres Ya No Lloran World Tour North America Dates Will Expand to Stadiums in 2025 |url=https://www.livenationentertainment.com/2024/10/shakira-announces-2024-las-mujeres-ya-no-lloran-world-tour-north-america-dates-will-expand-to-stadiums-in-2025/ |url-status=live |location=United States |publisher=[[Live Nation (events promoter)|Live Nation]] |agency=[[Live Nation Entertainment]] |archive-url=https://archive.today/20250109154207/https://www.livenationentertainment.com/2024/10/shakira-announces-2024-las-mujeres-ya-no-lloran-world-tour-north-america-dates-will-expand-to-stadiums-in-2025/ |archive-date=9 January 2025 |access-date=9 January 2025}}</ref> Additional concerts in [[Atlanta]], [[Houston]] and [[Phoenix, Arizona|Phoenix]] were announced on 10 December 2024.<ref name="Billboard 2">{{cite magazine |last1=Flores |first1=Griselda |title=Shakira Adds New Stadium Dates for North American Las Mujeres Ya No Lloran Tour |url=https://www.billboard.com/music/latin/shakira-2025-tour-dates-las-mujeres-ya-no-lloran-north-america-1235806819/ |magazine=[[Billboard (magazine)|Billboard]] |publisher=[[Eldridge Industries]] |access-date=10 January 2025 |archive-url=https://archive.today/20241210212452/https://www.billboard.com/music/latin/shakira-2025-tour-dates-las-mujeres-ya-no-lloran-north-america-1235806819/ |archive-date=10 December 2024 |location=United States |issn=0006-2510 |oclc=732913734 |date=10 December 2024 |url-status=live}}</ref>
livelikemusic (TALK!) 17:42, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- Not using literal quotes would not be a violation of WP:COPYVIO/WP:PLAG because to paraphrase, which is what editors do in Wikipedia, is precisely to quote using different words. Also, if you actually want to follow Wikipedia's guidelines, then stick to what WP:PARAGRAPH states and start a new paragraph as I have been suggesting. Thedayandthetime (talk) 18:19, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
- "Literal quotes" as you say are used quite often in Wikipedia articles, as it is the reason(s) why decision(s) were made. There is no need to paraphrase, nor is there legal policy against it. And again, WP:PARAGRAPH, the word "should" is used, which does not mean it is mandated, as you are continuing to suggest (or in reality, implementing outside of this discussion). And if you looked at the example above for which I exampled, you'd see a new paragraph was suggested and, yet ignored. Also, please be cautiuous in using phrasing, such as "which is what editors do in Wikipedia". It could come off as not demonstrating good faith between editors. We're here to do this civil manner to reach consensus-reached content resolution. livelikemusic (TALK!) 19:34, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
- Are you an AI? Thedayandthetime (talk) 18:28, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
- That is completely unnecessary, beyond rude, nor is it civil or assuming of good faith. livelikemusic (TALK!) 19:45, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
- Livelikemusic, it's just a question and I have the right to do it. Bots now are the total of nearly half of all internet traffic globally, and a lot of people use chatbots such as ChatGPT to write online. It's an admisible question. Thedayandthetime (talk) 17:22, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
- That is completely unnecessary, beyond rude, nor is it civil or assuming of good faith. livelikemusic (TALK!) 19:45, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
- Are you an AI? Thedayandthetime (talk) 18:28, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
- "Literal quotes" as you say are used quite often in Wikipedia articles, as it is the reason(s) why decision(s) were made. There is no need to paraphrase, nor is there legal policy against it. And again, WP:PARAGRAPH, the word "should" is used, which does not mean it is mandated, as you are continuing to suggest (or in reality, implementing outside of this discussion). And if you looked at the example above for which I exampled, you'd see a new paragraph was suggested and, yet ignored. Also, please be cautiuous in using phrasing, such as "which is what editors do in Wikipedia". It could come off as not demonstrating good faith between editors. We're here to do this civil manner to reach consensus-reached content resolution. livelikemusic (TALK!) 19:34, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
- By the way, yes, the new paragraph that you suggested is a better option than what the article currently has. The literal quotation is still unnecessary. Thedayandthetime (talk) 18:34, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
- Well, we're at a standstill, as it's not in violation of any policy, nor do I view it as something to be removed, as again, it's the reason why the announcement/change was made, nor do I see a proposed potential change being made on this talk page. livelikemusic (TALK!) 19:45, 16 January 2025 (UTC)