Talk:Knole

Sept 2011

Please show evidence of the user Knole Jonathan may have connection. The similarity in the name of the property does not have any bearing on ownership - as is indicated in article within the article itself. Edits by said user do not show any form of personal promotion whatsoever. --Keith 16:29, 17 September 2011 (UTC)

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/activityandadventure/walkingholidays/7848860/Knole-Park-Kent-Walk-of-the-week.html I have plenty more showing him using the wiki name if you require more evidence.RafikiSykes (talk) 17:53, 17 September 2011 (UTC)

Also just try googling knole jonathan and look at first result.RafikiSykes (talk) 17:57, 17 September 2011 (UTC)

Neither references given are definite evidence for the marker. Is Knole Jonathan a pseudonym or real name? You are making the unsubstantiated assumption Jonathan Sargant is Knole Jonathan. If indeed they are one and same, I would still contend his entries do not warrant the marker. --Keith 18:15, 17 September 2011 (UTC)

The marker says "may be personally or professionally connected" its not finding them guilty of anything or proving beyond all doubt just noting that there is indication of a connection so anyone checking the users edits can take note of that.RafikiSykes (talk) 18:24, 17 September 2011 (UTC)

The previous comment still is valid - The marker placement is based on insufficient data --Keith 18:32, 17 September 2011 (UTC)

Ok if you still have issue with that i shall ask the concerned user directly and seek another wiki persons opinionRafikiSykes (talk) 18:40, 17 September 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for your message RafikiSykes - easier if I reply here. Yes, you're right to make your assumption, I do work at Knole. Does that mean I shouldn't be editing the page or something? Or just that you take issue with some of my turns of phrase? The two bits with "citation needed" next to them in the article now are verifiable from maps, although I don't know how you would cite that. Knole Jonathan (talk) 09:00, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

Working there doesn't prevent editing I would say it just means care needs to be taken to maintain encyclopedic neutrality. Anything that makes claims about biggest, only etc should ideally have a reference to an impartial source confirming that. Anything published should be usable as a ref and I think maps should be ok if you put in year author and so on, possibly with some quoted text if relevant words are on the map.RafikiSykes (talk) 18:45, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

Ok, thanks – I'll have a think about how to do that. Maybe in the meantime it's best if I just take that thing about the garden off eh? Knole Jonathan (talk) 12:41, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

Your new wording there seems just fine :).RafikiSykes (talk) 12:35, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

Bosquet

Easton Lodge in Dunmow, Essex seems to have one, although not yet mentioned in the article: [1]? 86.135.16.236 (talk) 19:31, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for that. I will remove the unsourced part saying possibly the only one remaining for now.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/essex/content/image_galleries/gardens_easton_lodge_gallery.shtml?13 shows the Bosquet.RafikiSykes (talk) 22:01, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

Ha! This is one of those claims which I do have a published source for (though I've not got round to writing it down). However it is published very much pre-2003, perhaps even pre-1971, so it sounds as though it's no longer true. Knole Jonathan (talk) 08:58, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

June 2013

I’m working on a voluntary basis for Knole, the National Trust property in Sevenoaks, Kent. We would like to see more information added to the page, and would welcome edits, contributions and suggestions in order to improve the offering. We are very aware of the necessary neutrality of Wiki articles, so are keen to work with the community in order to develop the page. I would be happy to work with anyone interested in making additions to the piece. A number of external scholars and consultants have done academic, archaeological, historical and archival research at Knole, and their findings could potentially be accessed for independent verification. There is also information available on the Sackville family and history of the house. I will be adding extra information about certain elements of the house and contents (specifically arts and architecture – directly relating to my academic background). On a personal note, I am a newcomer to Wiki, so please bear with me as I learn how the system works. --Lynn —Preceding undated comment added 15:42, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

Welcome, I've replied on your talkpage. Plenty of our volunteer editors are also unpaid volunteers with the subject they write about, either as restorers on canals or fans of sports teams. The important thing to remember as with any Wikipedia article we need to write with a neutral voice, and while uncontentious facts can be sourced from primary sources, we need to source qualitative stuff things from neutral secondary sources. So for example you could add that the building has been listed Grade I by english heritage. .... Jonathan Cardy (WMUK) (talk) 11:30, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

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Info box

Other than to confuse and oversimplify, what purpose is the new info box serving here. The architectural style is confusing in the extreme. The picture of the house is too small to see,as is the map. When you click on the map, to see where the house is, it’s not even marked. There is no rule that inboxes are necessary and many of the most important Wikipedia pages on similar buildings don’t have boxes for just the reasons outlined. Giano (talk) 17:54, 1 April 2018 (UTC)

Knole House --> Knole

If no one has any objections I'd like to change the article title from Knole House to Knole as it is officially just 'Knole' on the National Trust's own website, literature and other sources including much of the academic literature to be found on places like jStor. Riled Ignatius (talk) 14:43, 14 July 2018 (UTC)

• Agreed. My interest in the article came about via Vita Sackville-West In her article it is Knole (as it is in almost all other WP:RS I've read). AnonNep (talk) 14:52, 14 July 2018 (UTC)
• Knole is the correct name. Letters written from the house have the single word “Knole” as the address. I can’t think why this page was ever called Knole House; it makes it sound like a hostel for the homeless or reformed offenders. Giano (talk) 20:01, 14 July 2018 (UTC)

It seems I can't make the move myself (don't think I'm autoconfirmed or some such thing) so if someone else would like to...? Riled Ignatius (talk) 08:22, 1 August 2018 (UTC)

I gave it a try (I've never moved a page before!) but the re-direct of 'Knole' to 'Knole House' needs to be removed first. Perhaps someone with more experience in such matter can assist? AnonNep (talk) 12:54, 1 August 2018 (UTC)

Well I have moved dozens of pages, but for some reason can't move this one. which is very odd! However, I know someone who probably can help! Giano (talk) 15:39, 1 August 2018 (UTC)

Thanks all for the help!Riled Ignatius (talk) 08:52, 3 August 2018 (UTC)