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"Kaiapōhia" an insult?

The link referencing that the name "Kaiapōhia" is a mistake, is missing. There is no reference to the claim that it is an insult. In "Lore and history of the South Island Maori", W A Taylor writes "the Rev. J. W. Stack has been accused of using North Island "swank" in calling the old pa, Kaiapohia instead of Kaiapoi. The Rev. Stack in his book printed in 1893 distinctly says, "Kaiapohia was always used in formal speeches." Watere Kahu of Arowhenua used the unabbreviated name."^[1] Auntie Jane Manahi was willing to pronounce "Kaiapōhia" for my oral dictionary "Ngā Ingoa o Aotearoa" in 1992.^[2] This claim and the necessary discussion should be separate from the following history.

I have recovered the original source^[3] from the Waimak library which cites Evison^[4], Hawkins^[5] and Woods^[6] as sources for those claims. The etymology of "Kaiapoi" seems pretty clear, but I'm unsure on the etymology of "Kaiapohia". The claim made in that library page is that "Kaiapohia" means "the piling up of bodies to be eaten", though this etymology seems pretty uncertain to me (possibly kai+apo, eg "greedy gathering of food" with -hia which is apparently a passive ending favoured by Tūhoe, though I'm not sure this makes much sense). If there is some scholarly dispute over the origin of the term then that should maybe be noted in the article as you suggest. -- David Palmer aka cloventt (talk) 21:22, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hawkins and Woods make no mention of this etymology (in fact Hawkin actually uses the term Kaiapohia to refer to the pā thrughtout his book), so I assume the claim is specifically made by Evison, who is a respected Ngāi Tahu scholar. I'll try to run down a copy of that book. -- David Palmer aka cloventt (talk) 21:37, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Taylor, W. A. (1950). Lore and history of the South Island Maori. Christchurch: Bascands. p. 35.
^ Young, Hugh (1992). "Ngā Ingoa o Aotearoa". Ngā Ingoa o Aotearoa. Hugh Young. Retrieved January 31, 2024. "Kaiapōhia" in Zone 149
^ "History of the Kaiapoi Pa". Waimakariri Libraries. Archived from the original on 2018-01-25. Retrieved 19 January 2021.
^ Evison, Harry (1993), Te Wai Pounamu: the greenstone island : a history of the Southern Maori during the European colonialization of New Zealand, Christchurch: Aoraki Press, ISBN 9780908925070, retrieved 2024-04-10
^ Hawkins, Donald Newall (2001), Beyond the Waimakariri: a regional history, Christchurch: Cadsonbury Publications, ISBN 1877151661, archived from the original on 2023-12-13, retrieved 2024-04-10 – via Waimakariri Heritage
^ Wood, Pauline, Kaiapoi: a search for identity, Rangiora: Waimakariri District Council, ISBN 0473023318, retrieved 2024-04-10 – via Waimakariri Heritage

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I have rewritten the Recreation section to make it slightly more neutral and encylopaedic. I'm going to remove the advertorial template, but if anyone reviews it and thinks it needs further improvement please do add it back and let me know. -- David Palmer aka cloventt (talk) 21:22, 26 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

History Section Expansion - Post-Colonisation

The history section of this page is brilliant -- heaps of detail on early Māori settlement. The topic of Kaiapoi Pā and it's sacking could almost be spun off into it's own article but I think it's appropriate to keep it here for now.

It would be good to add a section on post-colonial history as well to cover major events in the settlement and history of the town. -- David Palmer aka cloventt (talk) 21:27, 26 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Kaiapoi Pā redirect could and should be turned into its own article. It's one of the most notable South Island pā. Schwede 66 01:48, 28 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've put tagged it with a formal split request. -- David Palmer aka cloventt (talk) 23:52, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Split into Kaiapoi and Kaiapoi Pā

The pā is very different to the modern township. The two are not even geographically in the same place; the only real connection is the name.

The history of the pā is well researched and could be its own article. There is also a lot of scope to expand it. I note that the History of Canterbury, New Zealand already has a fantastic narrative of the kai huanga and the sacking by Te Rauparaha, which could be used as a starting point for expansion. The discussion of the etymology of Kaiapōhia would also be better included in that article. A dedicated article would also be useful for connecting to Ngāi Tahu#History. -- David Palmer aka cloventt (talk) 23:51, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There's no doubt that Kaiapoi Pā is notable. I support the split. Schwede 66 02:29, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Good idea. I support the proposed split. Marshelec (talk) 06:14, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have submitted Draft:Kaiapoi Pā for AfC. David Palmer//cloventt ^(talk) 21:53, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

New History needed

Now that the Kaiapoi Pā information has been split, the History section is completely empty. If any volunteers are keen to write about the history of Kaiapoi please do, otherwise I will add it to my list. David Palmer//cloventt ^(talk) 21:08, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[1] Taylor, W. A. (1950). Lore and history of the South Island Maori. Christchurch: Bascands. p. 35.

[2] Young, Hugh (1992). "Ngā Ingoa o Aotearoa". Ngā Ingoa o Aotearoa. Hugh Young. Retrieved January 31, 2024. "Kaiapōhia" in Zone 149

[3] "History of the Kaiapoi Pa". Waimakariri Libraries. Archived from the original on 2018-01-25. Retrieved 19 January 2021.

[4] Evison, Harry (1993), Te Wai Pounamu: the greenstone island : a history of the Southern Maori during the European colonialization of New Zealand, Christchurch: Aoraki Press, ISBN 9780908925070, retrieved 2024-04-10

[5] Hawkins, Donald Newall (2001), Beyond the Waimakariri: a regional history, Christchurch: Cadsonbury Publications, ISBN 1877151661, archived from the original on 2023-12-13, retrieved 2024-04-10 – via Waimakariri Heritage

[6] Wood, Pauline, Kaiapoi: a search for identity, Rangiora: Waimakariri District Council, ISBN 0473023318, retrieved 2024-04-10 – via Waimakariri Heritage

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