Talk:Kári Stefánsson
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Given name vs. patronymic
[edit]@Lehmansson: @Þjarkur:
The MOS (MOS:PATRONYMIC) is very clear in that an Icelandic person should not be referred to with the patronymic. The stage name argument definitely does not hold, because if it did, literally every Icelandic person's article should be changed from using first names to using patronymics if they're commonly referred to with the patronymic in English-language media (i.e. athletes, politicians etc). It does not matter if this particular person is very well known and very often known as just Stefansson in the relevant circles.
As for the accents, their usage is stipulated by MOS:DIACRITICS and WP:DIACRITICS, and, by precedent, literally every article of an Icelandic person with an accented letter in their name who is commonly referred to without the accent in English-language media.
If you have a problem with these guidelines, do feel free to take it up at the relevant talk pages, but please do not push your unprecedented viewpoints in this singular article.
I will leave the article to its current state for now, as I really do not want to start an edit war, but sooner or later, either the guidelines or the article will have to change. Qwerty12302 (talk | contributions) 13:35, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
- We do have several articles on scientists where we respect the name they opt to use in their international scientific academic publishing careers, which is more similar to a pen name than when international media talk about politicians, in my view. But yes there are some inconsistencies between some of the different fields here that are going to require a wider discussion soon. – Thjarkur (talk) 13:47, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
@Qwerty12302: @Þjarkur:
Qwerty12302, thanks for the follow up and I think you have framed clearly what's needed: the guidelines need to change, and then this article and many others with it. The argument that the stage name rule can't hold because it would mean changing many entries to reflect the way that Icelandic people are actually known makes the need for change perfectly clear. In all cases we are by definition talking about people who are noteworthy, but then insisting on not referring to them by the names by which they are commonly noted. This is the core absurdity created by this guideline, and he reason that there are, as Þjarkur notes, a number of exceptions. I am not a weathered enough wikipedian to know where that discussion should take place, but I am eager to participate and believe that we are all agreed that a caveat to allow stage names would be sensible. Laxness has a line that runs something like "wickedness is bad, but rectitude can be worse," and that's maybe where we are! Best, Lehmansson (talk) 14:51, 1 July 2020 (UTC)