Talk:Judi Singh

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The following references may be useful when improving this article in the future:

Alberta's Black Pioneer Heritage entry
Forbes-Roberts, Ron (2006). One Long Tune: The Life and Music of Lenny Breau. University of North Texas Press. ISBN 9781574412307 – via Project Muse.
1986 Phoenix newspaper clipping
1965 Edmonton Journal clipping

A fact from Judi Singh appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 22 March 2024 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that jazz singer Judi Singh's mother and father were, respectively, among the earliest Black and Sikh settlers of Alberta, Canada?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2024/March. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Judi Singh.

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The result was: promoted by PrimalMustelid talk 03:58, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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... ~~that jazz singer Judi Singh was the daughter of two of the first Black and Indian families to settle Alberta?~~ Source: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/why-did-edmonton-forget-judi-singh-researcher-uncovers-story-of-jazz-music-and-alberta-s-roots-1.5919663
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Frankee Connolly
- Comment: The construction "daughter of the family" is used to shorten the hook. It is not unheard of

Created by HistoryCanadiana (talk). Nominated by Mach61 (talk) at 16:04, 7 February 2024 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Judi Singh; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Basic article that meets the criteria. Nice to see a thoughtful and thorough QPQ provided by a nominator for once! Gatoclass (talk) 02:50, 8 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm commenting because of the discussion at WT:DYK.

The original hook is not accurate because her father was not an "Indian family" – he was a lone settler.
The phrase "one of the first" is problematic because it's fuzzy or self-contradictory.
The form of words used by this source is "daughter of the first Sikh Albertan and a pioneer Black settler" which seems to avoid the above issues.

Andrew🐉(talk) 20:03, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In reviewing the article and hook, it seems I did miss a few nuances, not only the two you pointed out, but also the fact that the sources refer to Singh as the first Sikh to settle in Alberta rather than the first Indian. So that probably needs fixing in the article. Mach61? Also, a revised hook will be required, might I suggest:

*ALT1: ... that jazz singer Judi Singh's mother and father were, respectively, among the earliest Black and Sikh settlers of Alberta, Canada? Gatoclass (talk) 08:51, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Not against alt1, but I'll try expanding the article with the sources I added on talk and finding a new hook with that. Mach61 (talk) 15:41, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Mach61: How's the progress with finding new hooks? Z1720 (talk) 02:34, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Z1720: Just evaluate ALT1, I didn't have the time for this. Mach61 (talk) 02:38, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Andrew Davidson: Are you willing to look at ALT1? Z1720 (talk) 02:39, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reviewer for alt1 needed. Z1720 (talk) 18:34, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

ALT1 is short enough, interesting, and cited; dad per Transforming Edmonton, and mum per ECAMP. Let's roll.--Laun chba ller 23:41, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]