Talk:John of Monmouth (died 1257)

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Confusing stuff

There is quite a lot about John of Monmouth that apparently doesn't add up. What is in John of Monmouth differs from what is here, and this contradiction should be sorted out. What is [1] in one of the notes implies that this John of Monmouth was the son of the older John by his second wife Agnes. Well, one solution is that there was a John by each marriage, causing confusion. Charles Matthews (talk) 08:16, 12 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

[2] says John de Monmouth was hanged for killing Adam de Gilbert; [3] says the execution was in 1280–1, however, so the executed John wouldn't be the one who died in 1257. Mentioned also here [4]. Charles Matthews (talk) 08:24, 12 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

[5] actually states that the hanged John was "evidently" the half-brother of the John who died in 1257. It also states that Joan Neville was the daughter of Isabelle Neville, so the first cousin of this John. Charles Matthews (talk) 08:29, 12 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I've put a fuller discussion on Talk:John of Monmouth. Charles Matthews (talk) 09:10, 12 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I removed the following unsourced speculative material which was added in November 2018 by 82.31.187.160. --Wire723 (talk) 10:06, 20 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

... this might therefore have been a son John of his father by his second marriage. This appears to be an unlikely scenario, however. David, was the 8th Earl of Huntingdon and he and his 6 known siblings were born, at best guess in the 1140s, the children of Henry of Scotland, 3rd Earl of Huntingdon (1114 -1152) and his wife, Ada de Warenne (c. 1120 - 1178). Sir John of Monmouth was born about 1182 so any sons of his would have been born not much earlier than about 1198 so David's children would have been a generation younger than John's. However, John of Monmouth may have been the one who married a daughter of David's and it has been suggested that the daughter's name was Margaret. So John may have married three times, his first wife being Margaret of Huntingdon. It is claimed that the couple had a daughter Joan Margaret Monmouth who married Geoffrey de Neville (c. 1195-1242) of Raby, in Lincolnshire